Hate mail for like-minded conservationists

The New Zealand government has decided not to support a moratorium on bottom trawling in international waters. This is based on misinformation fed to various ministries, and pressure by the fishing industry.

I am preparing a letter to New Zealand ministers that outlines much of the misinformation spouted by a few parties. I'd like to place a draft of this letter online and call for people's comments, prior to mailing it in a few days, but don't think that this would be the most appropriate course of action. Do we have any editorial gurus online (regularly posting members only) prepared to take up the challenge of setting my clumsy, hastily written language in order? It could certainly do with a review. I will not mind if entire sections are recast. If so could you please pm me and I'll send a copy to you privately.

Thanks in anticipation
Steve
 
Letter is off; thanks a million for that Melissa. I'll post any update when I have it.

In the meantime, here's the latest piece of industry diarrhoea.

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.... remember Owen ... he's the chap that doesn't like me (how could anyone not like me???).

Anyway, he's the genius that wrote the following dribble ... (I feel my blood pressure rising!)

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I just spent the last 1/2 hour reading this entire thread, and I have just a couple of things to say.

One dead squid is hardly comparable to the millions of tons of bycatch and other wasted food that could go to feed the starving mass of humanity. One of the most ridiculous demonstrations of this happens regularlily in my own little part of the world. The Salinas Valley produces 70-80% of the entire lettuce crop for the US. But is is quite routine for growers (large corporations, not individual or family farms, which are nearly extinct) to plow under [/b]entire crops because prices have fallen too low fit into the profit margins demanded by the stockholders and the tax right-off of donation is not enough to cover the loss. So not only is the food wasted, which could be used to feed the homeless, destitute and infirm, all of the irrigated water (which the area has none too much of to begin with) flushes gallons and gallons of pesticide, herbicides, and fungicides into a sanctuary already threatened with sewage hazards and golf course runoff.

The thing that I have noticed with people that cry out over the loss of life in cases like this generally don't own up to their own contribution to the dimise of life as they knew it. Whether it's the use (abuse) of petro-chemicals in all things western civilization, or the gallons of water wasted on keeping non-native, eco-threatening gardens flourishing, or the damage done to native cultures in so-called eco-tourism.

I wag this same finger at myself everyday. My sculpture nearly didn't get finished because of it. Copper is not something that is mined in a friendly way. While it's not as bad as gold, it's often the same companies that mine both. Tracing the source of metals is like trying to find a true statement in a politicians (a.k.a. lawyers) speech, so finding a supplier of a eco-friendly mined copper would be an exercise in futility. In the end though, it's like the one dead squid compared to all of the loss of life and food. It's just one. If I were doing bronze casting it would be a different story, then there would be a couple hundred of them.

If I had the courage to take myself out of this world, I would have done so a long time ago. But my biological will to live easily beats out my intellectual digust of what our species has done to the world. I gave it a good try, mentally at least, to beat it out; I couldn't do it though. Honestly, I have no hope that I will see great change in humanity in my lifetime, nor do I expect it anytime in the next 30,000 years. Our genetics are being changed before it's even understood.

How stupid are we to f**k with evolution anyway??

And do we really need to save more lives?? (I'm putting on my flack jacket now.) The root to the majority of the problems we have caused come from the fact that there are too many of us. I am not giving argument for mass suicide, genocide or other atrocities, but I do think that it's time to start facing up to the fact that we have got to cull the herd a little before it runs out of grazing range. This is a highly unpopular point of view to be sure, but one that I can inhabit a little more safetly than others because of my maleness (never heard of a male "biological clock") and a long term view of the past and future. I won't have children, and yet I try to think of what I would like my fifth, twentieth, and hundreth generation grandchilden to inherit. Certainly not the bloody mess we have created so far.

Please excuse me for this, it only comes out about once every 5 months or so. I used to be this way all of the time, but since I stopped paying attention, I haven't had much to say. For some reason in the last few months I have read the paper a couple of times, watched the news occasionally, and started reading more posts.

To end on a more positive note, I am curious what are some of the things that you do on a daily basis to lessen your impact on the planet that we love. I'll list a few of my own, and maybe we can all learn a thing or two.

-I don't shop at Walmart, eat at McDonalds, or by any more GE products
than I have to.
-I refuse bags of all kinds at every possible occasion, and state that it's
garbage before it's even used.
-I buy used and recycled as often as possible.
-I eat the last grain of rice in the bowl.
-I try to learn at least 3 things a day, and teach at least one.

BTW, I have a great recipe for brussel sprouts. Parboil a dozen or so of the little buggers, season with salt, pepper, a little thyme, a little oregano, and a little butter. Stuff them in the cavity of a season chicken and bake. Mmmmmmmmm....brussel sprout stuffed chicken....aghagahghagh....

Bully on Steve O, just remember to acknowledge your own part in it.

With dying breathe, "What was that all about." -Marlon Brando
 
:grad: Whew. That was a lot!
Agree with some of your points, but I do eat at fast food places if I am hungry... :biggrin2:
Bummer about the ban not being upheld...crass commercialism seems to have won out down there too. Up here in the states, we lost most of our water purity and clean air controls last year (jee, thanks Pres. ) so it seems we are a little calloused.
Really thought the not-so-subtle slam of calling Steve "mr." was kind of uncalled for...what a jerk.
It is an odd "age of aquarius" isn't it???
greg
 
[quote="Steve O'Shea]
Anyway, he's the genius that wrote the following dribble ... [/quote]

Dr Steve,
I submit below, for your consideration, an extract from the NZ Herald, which shows just how far the gentle fisherfolk have come in attitudes since this letter was written 118 years ago:

Wholesale Destruction of Fish.

“Five hundred bundles of fish thrown over-board: call a meeting; elect a vigilance committee to protect the fish! I feel sure the fishermen are not likely to catch fish then throw them away, so I conclude the fish must have been unfit for human food. It is not to defend the parties that threw the fish away that I write this, but rather to express my surprise that men endowed with reason can think, in this nineteenth century, that five hundred bundles, or even five million bundles, can have any effect on the number of fish in the sea. Nature is so prolific that the more we catch the faster they multiply. The wheel of nature is always turning, assuming different forms, never lessening the whole one atom, but so regulated by Him that fallen man is powerless to control or affect in the least. When I think of the wonders of the deep I am in the same fix as when I think of time and distance, as revealed to us by astronomers – lost in wonder. The fact is the whole thing is beyond our power to control. In spite of all those facts I have alluded to, the Government are advised to proclaim a “close” season, thereby depriving a number of men of the means of living, and making their instruments of production worthless, in order that the next generation may not go short of fish. It is all bosh! There is selfishness at the back of it. An inquiry should be held. In conclusion, I may explain that I am not interested in catching. In fact, to take a narrow-minded, selfish view of the thing, it looks as if the close season would cause more demand; but if we look a little deeper we shall see that true prosperity is only attained by making every other industrious prosperous. Unless all the people are profitably employed, they have not the means of purchasing the wealth we are all engaged in producing. In my opinion, a “let alone” policy is the best policy to adopt, and in short time we shall all fit into the grooves for which we are adapted. One year the cry is, start fisheries, and the next year there is a howl to blot them out”.
A.S.; 15th November 1886.

(A.S. was founder of one of NZ's largest fishing companies, now based in Auckland)
:roll:
 
Steve O'Shea said:
.... remember Owen ... he's the chap that doesn't like me (how could anyone not like me???).

Anyway, he's the genius that wrote the following dribble ... (I feel my blood pressure rising!)

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! "...adventure of working in harmony with nature in all it's forces" Where's some aerated water when you need it. I can't print what I think of this.
 
pipsquek said:
And do we really need to save more lives?? (I'm putting on my flack jacket now.) The root to the majority of the problems we have caused come from the fact that there are too many of us. I am not giving argument for mass suicide, genocide or other atrocities, but I do think that it's time to start facing up to the fact that we have got to cull the herd a little before it runs out of grazing range.

hmm.... the gene pool could use a little chlorine.

heheh yeah i know what you mean about that. The thing is... our species is out of control. We have broken free of the controlling factors which would normally limit population.

Personally, I would pinpoint the causes of this on:
1.) our social nature. this makes it possible for us to pass knowledge and behaviors not only to our peers but also to the next generation. We are constantly building on the experiences of those who came before us.
2.) our amazing adaptability. When we first spread across the world in to a variety of habitats, we developed a variety of lifestyles to cope. Natural disasters were only temporary setbacks, as became disease and famine.

these days population increase only accelerates even more because of all our advances.

Unfortunately, it's not our fault. We are just too fit to survive. We left everything else in the dust long ago.

At this rate, however, we will someday hit the ceiling and the crimes we have committed to achieve this prosperity will have be paid for.
 
But it's 1000m under the ocean. What harm is it doing if it's not absolutely wrecking it. Who's going to see? It's not hurting anything long-term.

So if I murder somebody it isn't a crime, just as long as nobody sees me do it and I make sure to dump the body in water that's at least 1000m deep? Cool.

...less than 5 per cent of the world's 75 per cent of ocean would be impacted.

"It would be a bit like going into the McKenzie Country and looking around at this wonderful untouched, unspoiled area and then seeing somebody had dug a vegetable garden and it was growing brussel sprouts."

What a strange thing to say. I'd be willing to bet that over 99% of the human population is concentrated into 5% or less of the available land area (i.e. 1/3 of the total area "impacted" by bottom trawling). Destroying that area would nearly wipe out humanity, but would have a negligible effect on the rest of the planet. (At first, anyway.)

The fish are disappearing, all right.

"Disappearing"? At least some of them have in fact appeared in the grocery store down the street from my house. I don't think the fate of the fish is mystifying enough to warrant the term "disappearing".
 

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