which octo?

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  1. sulley

    sulley Wonderpus Registered

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    i have been keeping saltwater for 15 yrs..just got into octos...my first octo was a carribean reef..later to find out a hummelicki...great octo always out took frozen etc...she passed away after 3 months after laying eggs..now my lfs has 2 brieus in..i know these are nocturneal but i see everyone gets them..what is the advantage of these? i really want one to interact like my old one..so should oi go for this one or wait to see if another hummelicki comes in?
     
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    My Briareus, Legs, is NOT nocturnal. She is very playful with me and is out at all times. AM had one, Kalypso, that was also very playful, playful as well. D had one that had vision problem so it was not as playful but still seemed to be out and about a fair amount. One thing to keep in mind is that Braireus can get big. mine has a 5" mantle and a spread of over three feet, needless to say they need a bigger tank than a hummelicki. I would not suggest anything less than 75 gals for a briareus.

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    IMO the two most consistently playful octos are hummelincki/filosis (Caribbean) and aculeatus (Indonesian) with briareus coming in third. As CaptFish mentions, we have great journals on two briareus that have fully interacted and become daytime active but these two seem to be atypical of the species. One important observation though is that both of these have been tank raised from very small young where most that make it to our tanks are considerably older. SueNami never quite agreed to coming to my hand but he did become accustomed to it and would come out around 6:00 in the evening for long periods. The two I have now (KaySoh and Creepy) are still very nocturnal. KaySoh may yet become interactive, usually shows herself sometime during our dinner hour and will play with my hand outside the tank after lights out. Creepy is not likely to ever become friendly but she/he lost all but one arm fully to the webbing a month or so before coming to the tank (I still find it amazing she/he survived the months worth of arm growth in the wild).

    I try to keep a tank open for a hummelincki but they have been very hard to come by. A few showed up from haiti recently listed as O.maya so I have been hoping we will see more of them soon.
     
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    thanx for the input guys... my tank is a 58 gallon oceanic so i guess that makes my mind up for me... great pic capt
     
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    okay one more question...called a different lfs and they said they get cyaneus....he sadi it is a small breed...everyhting i researched said they get huge..he also said it is collected from africa and spain and has two blue circles...can anyone help what this may be..i know lfs and suppliers are horrible aat identifying species...everything i have come up with is not matching..is there a smaller species from this area with the two blue circles? he was certain where it was collected
     
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    Curious, I know O.cyanea is found in Hawaii and this link says Africa but not sure about the Spain. They do have ocelli (eyespots) but I don't believe they would be described as blue and you are right about it being large (I would love to raise one but the 65's I have are not large enough for the likes of an octopus the size that Marinebio guy caught .

    O.hummelincki/filosus has a brilliant blue ring with yellow inside the circle but are most commonly found in the Atlantic and Gulf. Both bimac species are Pacific US West Coast. Whether the hummelincki and bimacs are found elsewhere, I could not establish in a brief search (all pointed to the common US areas) but I thought I remembered hummelincki/filosus being studied elsewhere.

    Can you coax a photo from the supplier?
     
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    i will call the lfs and ask him today...dont know how much effort they both are going to put into however....he seemed a little perturbed by all my questions on the phone yesterday lol...he said he sells them for 40 bucks but i would have to order and pay for it before hand and pick it up when the shipment comes in since he doesnt have a tank for it..with no guarentee..this lfs is 1.5 hrs from me...my local one gets them in but as caribbean reef only..the 1st time were 2 hummelickis then the next were 2 brieus..wheni asked if they could get in another hummelicki they said we have two in and pointed to the brieus..they insisted they were the same i di not feel like fighting with them
     
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    I try to explain to my two collectors in the Keys that they never sell "fish" and that no one would buy them if that is how they listed the finned critters they catch but I just get an eyeroll with my patient explanation of what to look for ...

    Of course neither of them like octos and one is truely afraid of them (but not of the sharks. Go figure). Lynn had me on the floor laughing when he told me about his adventurous transfer of Creepy (who has only one long arm and 7 very short stubs) to a shipping container. He swears he was ready to head for the door if the octo "escaped" in the process.
     
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    called today to find out they are closed on mondays.. will try tomorrow
     
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    no go on the picture...i do however have a story..i went back to the original store to try to talk to them about getting a hummelicki, they were the ones with the 2 briaeus. the owner told me to take the bigger one cause it had been there 2 months and he was sick of giving it emeralds...i know this guy is probaly too big for my tank but i felt bad about him being in that medium critter keeper for so long and probaly dieing in it. he was asking 49 for the octos but charged me 20 figure his wholesale cost..the other one was tiny but he was keeping that one..my tank is the oceanic reef 58 gallon.so i figured better than the critter keeper for his time left
     
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    That makes two pet stores trying octos and not having takers this month. Interesting. The good news is that the critters are surviving. It will be interesting to see how this one socializes since it has been kept in such a confined area for 2 months. Please keep a journal on this guy or I can move this thread to the journals forum if you give me permission.
     
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    how do i keep a journal? you may do whatever you want with my posts since you help so often and quickly dwhatley..lol i actually am very surprised with the interaction so far....first 2 days i got a tentacle to grab the frozen food...now when i turn on the atinic lights he comes right out.. he/she plays tugofwar every time with the skewer and actually grabbed it out of my hands one time..a lot stronger than i thought....when it comes out though it flashes alot of red at first then settles to the white..is this normal for this species? it has 7 legs with one growing back. it actually comes out alot more than expected.. it has grabbed my finger etc... just taking it slow with it. the store where i got it from is exclussive to saltwater. the owner told me he was going to start to buy it goldfish to feed since it would be cheaper.. it is about 20 inches spread out so i know it probaly is near the end but heck i figured just give it the least amount of stress for the time left... should i have passed? i am feeling guilty since the min tank size is 75gallons..
     
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    You have already started a journal!:smile: I just needed to move it to the Journals forum :sagrin: (a name would be helpful for my formatting in the lists sticky though) . We are bandying about with using the blog format for journals but currently a journal is nothing more difficult than a single continuing thread in the Journals and Photos section that extend from the beginning to the end of a ceph's aquarium life with a TONMO member (we have a couple of in situ and public aquarium journals too though).

    I will suggest a little assignment (little may be a bad word if you are typical once you start reading). Visit Forums->Journals and Photos->List of our Octopuses 2009 and click on the other briareus journals linked there to see what we currently have on file. Each is a unique experience and most have photos and videos (unfortunately some of our older videos have not yet made the transition to the new format but will return, some are hosted on YouTube though and are still accessable). You will see me there a couple of times :tongue: but there are others as well and additional in the 2008 list (should you continue to thirst for more reading :wink:).

    Since your LSF wants to keep octos, you might gently explain that goldfish are a bad idea (see http://www.tonmo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18968 as a live example of why we discourage it). He should be able to get fiddlers cheaper than the emeralds and there is no reason he can't feed thawed shrimp (the cheapest of the good solutions). You might also point him to TONMO. We have several store owners as members who will occassionally list their wares or ask ID questions.
     
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    took some snapshots today when he/she came out..how do i post them
     
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    This is really as simple as falling off a log but sounds a lot more complex than it is. The first couple of times seems like there is glue on your feet.:wink:

    Start as you normally do to post a comment but
    Click on the Go Advanced button
    Scroll down a little and click the Manage Attachments button
    .....This will open an additional window/tab
    Click the Add Files button (upper right hand corner)
    .....This will open a pop-up window
    Click the Select Files button in the pop-up
    .....This will open your browser's file selection button.
    .....Locate your picture directory and select your photo(s)
    .....Depending upon your browser, you can select one or more pictures at a time
    Click the Open button after you have selected your pictures
    .....The actual button word may be different between browsers)
    .....Your file(s) should show up in the original pop-up window on the right.
    Click the Upload Files button
    .....After the file(s) are uploaded they will be shown as thumbnails at the bottom of the screen
    Click Insert Attachment - under the thumbnails all the way right :hmm:
    .....You will be returned to your post and will see your attachements listed under the Manage Attachments button
     
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    hope these came out
     

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    d you are the best...really surprised at home much he comes out...1 minute after i turn on the atinics he comes right out and walks around...maybe being at the store for so long already exposed to people leering at him all day plus that was the only time he was feed...he likes to grab my finger and yesterday shortly after the pics he let me "pet him"i did it a few times then had a emerald crab for his reward. yesterday was his live day
     
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    O.Briarues! Mine Legs is out all the time and loves to play with my hand. we even play a few basic games like hide and seek and tug o war. Legs also like to sit on a paricular rock and have me scratch her between the eyes and the top of her legs. Oh yeah your he may be a she. as it does not appear to keep the third leg curled up, and none of the suckers seem enlarged. You ar5e in for a treat, I love these guys, although I maybe a little bias its the only octo I have kept.
     
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    I am glad my instructions were not too esoteric in their format. It is always hard for me to know if I am communicating how do do something since I am a programmer by trade. I made a copy of the instructions to use again :wink:

    I was wondering if the constant exposure (and survival in the environment) would produce a more interactive animal. Age also seems to be part of the factor (most very young animals are very shy - I am hoping Puddle is an exception). Mantle size on yours(name?) is definite adult but not necessarily at the end of its life. Please do continue the journal and note its behavior. We have had a few people experiement with containerizing for a week or so to ensure the animal would learn the keeper and feeding routine but this is the first one we have knowingly had to have been kept cooped up for an extended period.
     
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    here is one with my hand for size...also since you guys are more experienced how does the "little" leg look in the third pick? is it coming back good etc??? also d do you agree female? it will be a lot easier to name her if confirmation...dont want he/she growing up with a complex lol...........once again guys thanx for all your help
     

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