[Octopus]: Spider and Cletus - 2 new octos aculeatus mabie??

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I'd still guess something within Abdopus. Sometimes at rest the arms fairly pretty short (2-3x mantle length) and the body color patterns are definitely within range.
 

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I hope you are right Mucktopus (sort of, LittleBit was a big favorite). The only picture that left a strong impression was #2 bottom and the eyes in that look very vulgaris. GPX, I am probably just seeing things but I will tell you that suppliers rarely know where the animals are collected and it would not be the first time an Indonesian turned out to be something else entirely.
 

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so if they do turn out to be vulgaris will the 72 and 92 be big enuf to house them?
so far they have been visable on the rocks most of the day and nowear to be found at night the little one sems to prefer the suny side of the tank in the morning.they bolth took a gohst shrimp from the tongs this morning. i'm gutloading some grass shrimp with phyto and oyster feast in a bucket right now and i'm going to offer them each another shrimp tonite and add some to the tanks for them to chase, mabie ill try hand feeding them without the tongs
the little one has been jumping from barnicle to barnicle today
 

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I would say, no way except LittleBit was fine in a 65+ so the answer is not known because you don't know how large they will get. Hopefully my guess is off base as you are well equipped for most any other species. We expected to have to convert the 145 for LittleBit but she only grew to O. briareus size.

I will also warn you that any behavior (especially "friendly" but time of activity as well) you observe over the next 2 weeks will not likely be what follows. It takes them about that long to really acclimate to the tank and at least a month to properly claim their dens (you will know this is the case when they show their arms when you clean near their den). I mention this not to dissuade you from hand feeding but so that you will not be disappointed when they become reclusive for awhile. Typically, once they are fully acclimated they will start slowly to trust you and expect daily food service. Feeding at specific (within an hour) times daily is the best suggestion I have to promote "trust".

Your latest picture does not change my opinion on species possibilities :roll:
 

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my larger octo was dancing around the glass tonite for about an hour then i looked away for a second and he's gone, it almost seems like he doesn't want me to see wear he go's.
after geting a good look for a while i think this ones a male, a few pics show the third arm being smaller than the rest and it was often curled when he was at rest on the glass
 

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Have a look at these pictures. You are trying to determine if the octos could be the same (I am thinking this is about the same sizing but neither pictures have reference points). Aculeatus will be much less robust, particularly comparing arms to mantle girth.

Glass dancing during the day is typical of Aculeatus adults but not a telling factor as other species will do this as well. Additionally, it takes a good two weeks for them to initially acclimate and then maybe 2 months to defend a den so I never expect behaviors I first see to be continued.
 

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ive gone threw that thread several times back and forth compairing littlebit to my larger octo( now named cletus) and i don't think they are the same species, littlebit has a rounder mantle and eyes wear cletus seems to have longer more cylindrical eye stalks and his mantle seems more elongated and football shaped most of the time. i have never seen cletus display the redish color that littlebit comonly wears in the pics, his most comon color is the brown/white mottled color in the last pic i posted ushualy along with a white skunk stripe up one side of his face though i have seen many other color patterns from him and a very cool passing cloud display once for about a minuet. i believ the pic you referd to in post #2 was taken just minets after i released him in the tank and i have not seen that color pattern since then.
my smaller octo(now named spider) has prety much the same color displays except he/she often has a spikey texture and often flashes a dark/white almost polkadot pattern when i get up close to the tank.
i also noticed that littlebits arms seem to be more defined and allmost muscular wear cletuses are just kind of round and smooth.
 

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The differences you noted would be the ones to look for as diagnostic so I think your tank sizing is safe :biggrin2:. The eyes more than the color pattern is what got my attention in the one photo. Vulgaris has, as you noted more of a lump than a stalk and is quite robust in the arms. Even being a very small vulgaris, she was the strongest octo we have ever kept and played very rough. She did want to play so she was not trying to get rid of us but she was extremely strong for her size.
 

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i just had a prety cool interaction with spider wich i think started with a defensive display in front of his den wich is right near the front of the tank, when ever i see him siting out in the open i go over and put my hand on the glass to try and get a responce, this time he poked out a litle at a time untill his entire body was exposed then faned out as big as posible and flashed a few light dark patterns and jumped from the rocks to the glass wear my hand was and sat their for a few moments then moved back to the rocks. after that i threw him a fidler crab wich he eagerly pounced on and returned to his den (the hole behind the blue mushrooms pictured in post #3), this was our first interaction that was not either feeding from tongs or just runing away from me. he is a ravenous eater and is growing fast ,i'm going to have to move him to a bigger tank sooner than i thought
i have also seen a change in behaviour in cletus my larger octo but with him it's the oposite he has become more reclusive and runs to hide whenever i open the tank to try and feed him and only seems to want to feed when i'm not looking he still comes out and roams the glass at various times of the day and night but has never aproached me like spider did today.
 



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