PETCO $1 per gallon sale

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  1. asid61

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    I went to PETCO for a couple of 1 gallon aquariums to use as feeder tanks for a mantis shrimp to hold snails and hermits, and the guy there told me that they are having the $1 per gallon sale again!!! :grin::grin::grin:
    So instead of a mantis in my 10 gallon, It's going to be a feeder tank and I am buying a 40 gallon breeder. The 55 gallon is too tall for my mantle, so I'm going with the breeder.
    Is a 40 gallon breeder too small for a bimac? I thought surface area mattered more than size.
    If the 40 is too small, what are the other kinds I could put in it?
    I am not planning to get an octo for another 6 months at least, so that I can become more experienced. (I have only been keeping a 10 gallon "reef" for 2 months). I am prepared to spend $20 a week on food. are 2-3 large hermits a day enough for one octopus?
    Thanks in advance!
     
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    40 is still small volume wise and since you are planning to put it on your mantle, it assumes no sump for additional water and equipment (you will need some kind of filtration and a skimmer is highly recommended). As much as a mantle display would be attractive, it poses lots of problems for a high waste (large fish or an octopus) tank. Do they have anything 50+ that is lower and fits in your house? I have Little Bit in a 37 with a 15 gallon sump. She is a dwarf (Octopus joubini) and could go in something smaller but looking at the tank, I would not consider it large enough to a large hummelincki (slightly smaller and warm water but similar to a bimac. For a bimac you need a max temp of 72 and usually a chiller is required) and even with the sump would push the limits for a smaller one (and you never know what you will get). Aculeatus might do OK in a 40 breeder but they have quite long arms. How tall and long is the breeder? Keep in mind that octopuses live a short time so establishing a tank as an octopus tank needs to consider the long term and multiple animals. Species are not well known (or not known at all by many suppliers) and availability varies from year to year when species are known so establishing a tank that can accomodate availability is highly desireable.

    Most octopuses will not survive on hermits. Some of the smaller animals will take them (most will accept them shelled as a treat) but something the size of a bimac will need larger food. Fiddler crabs are pretty much universally accepted and most mature animals will eat raw thawed table shrimp so your budget is fine but not your selection of food.

    Where you may have excess in allocated in the food department, you likely have a shortage in the cost of maintenance. You will need a source of RO/DI water (many LFS will sell it and offer a discount if you bring your own container but many decide to make their own with an at home unit). Freshwater top off can be as much as 2 gallons a day (depending on your evaporation rate and tank size) and you will need to change out about 5 gallons a week of saltwater.
     
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    I can buy shrimp and fiddlers for my octo, but hermits are easier to get. I have a 75 GPD RO/DI unit.
    I heard an aculeatus will be all right in a 29 gallon, and the 40 breeder is the same length, but wider.
    The 40 breeder is 36x18x16 inches, but it is under a bookcase inset into the wall, so I only have about 20 inches vertical space in the back of the mantel. The front 6 inches, however, are not under the bookcase.
    My mantel is about 5.5 feet long,
     
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    Min for aculeatus is 55.

    for a 40 gallon only a dwarf would be Ok.
     
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    Can I keep 2-3 mercs in there?
     
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    yes.
     
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    Joe-Ceph Haliphron Atlanticus Supporter

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    I'd say that you should spend the extra $15 for the 55 gallon, and put it on something besides your mantle. If the cost of a stand spoils the deal, just make one out of 2x3's, or find a sturdy piece of furniture on craigslist for cheap. Heck, even cinderblocks and a piece of plywood would get the job done (if its not to tall).
     
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    OK, I'll prob. save up for a stand, and If that is still too expensive, then I'll buy a bunch of cinderblocks.
     
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    If you're dead set on having it on your mantel, and it's five feet long with twenty inches of hight you might look into getting a custom built tank. My concern is the weight of the tank on your mantel. If it crashes for any reason(can't handle the weight, wood rots out, et cetra) you are looking at a whole lot of time and effort and money lost. Not to mention the damage to your house and other property.
     
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    I don't need it on my mantel, so a stand will probably be the best thing.
     
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    I think in the long run you will be happier with the stand-alone as cleaning time can get pretty wet and drips will ultimately damage the bookcase. Since you are thinking in this direction now, heavily consider building/buying a stand that will let you have a 20+ gallon sump (used and scratched is quite fine and we love using our upgraded 35 acrylics for this since they are easy to drill). A sump will make maintenance much easier, octoproofing much simpler and all the ugly equipment can be placed away from the display with the added bonus of more water but not more real space requirement. To use a sump effectively, you will need to drill two exit and one inlet holes and plumb it but it is a hassel well worth the time and effort.

    Since you are just starting with saltwater, an alternate stepping stone would be to buy a 35 gallon tank for a couple of mercatoris with the idea that it would become a sump for a larger tank in a year or more. A current caveate, however, is that we have not seen many mercs in two years. I have been exceedingly lucky to have acquired two other dwarfs and one merc so I have had my dwarfs all along but the aquisitions were a matter of extreme good fortune. If we could find O. joubini I would recommend them over O. mercatoris but don't know if multiples will work with this species. The other dwarf was my most favorite ever for a dwarf and a big favorite in general but I still have no idea what species he was and only two have surfaced (the other died in shipping to someone else).
     
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    Do mercs breed in captivity? I could jump for a 29 gallon, or the 40 breeder for dwarfs.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    Both threads start at the end of the original wild caught fertile female so be sure and go back and read the original parent threads. The page that I sent you to contains the links for the tank raised young of the original AND the tank bred young of mated sibblings from the first hatch. Neither GHolland nor I continued the cycle partially because they were already in bred and partially because we were never able to sex the offspring timely enough to swap.
     
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    My mother doesn't like the fact that she will never see them, and nothing else can be in there, So I'm probably only going to be able to keep a 20 in my room with one octopus. She also hates that they will probably only live for a couple of months before senescing.
    Does anyone have CB mercs? Does Tom's carribean do special orders?
     
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    We typically see the mercs show up in the fall and winter. This last year we did not see many at all, I'm hopuing for a better season this year. You can contact Tom but he will tell you the same thing. that he doesnt get them until the fall. You should also check ebay. there was a guy selling them there, but they were a little expensive if you ask me.
     
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    Sadly we have not gotten to a point where CB anything in the octopus family is available with anything close to regularity. Once every couple of years (at best) there will be enough surviving hatchlings to sell/share but with the mercs, the keeper can usually support the small number of survivors without needing to rehome them (4-5 has been the small sampling number of merc survivors).

    Tom does not collect his own octopuses but buys them from the local crabbers. Buying from Tom is kind of a win-win in that the crabbers get something more than bait for the loss of the crabs, Tom has something interesting to offer the public, the octopus is not killed and we have a semi-regular supplier. Crabbing season is over for this year though so if he should have one or two for sale they will be from local divers or happen upons.

    Other merc suppliers are typically live rock farmers who find them as by-catch in their LR. These are most often seen on eBay and we no longer have a "regular" that posts in availability.

    When a TONMO member sees any octo for sale, they usually post to the octopus availability thread so if you "subscribe" to it, you will get an email notice when someone posts
     
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    I emailed the guy at Tampa Bay Saltwater, and he said he gets 'dwarfs' in all the time during the Winter, but rarely in the Summer. I'm thinking about setting up a tank for dwarfs using a tank from this sale... :roll: (MTS is killing me :wink:)
     
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    Well, I've only been keeping a reef for 2 months, and so am probably only going to actually get the octopus next Febuary or March.
     

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