Latest on Octopets - Not good news

Discussion in 'Octopus Care' started by Nancy, Feb 21, 2006.

  1. Nancy

    Nancy Titanites Staff Member Moderator

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    Today I managed to talk with a man at Carlsbad Aquafarm who knew about the status of Octopets.

    Octopets is no longer at the Carlsbad site - Jim is apparently not even in the Carlsbad area anymore. They think he has not been actively breeding bimacs for several months.

    Carlsbad Aquafarm is not considering taking up bimac breeding at the present time, although they may continue with the seahorses. They have not ruled out eventually breeding bimacs, but it's nothing they're considering doing right now.

    It doesn't seem likely that Jim is continuing with Octopets somewhere else, but we don't know that for sure. There seems to be only one phone number for Jim, and he isn't answering calls or returning my messages.

    I think we should look carefully at what our short and long term options are. Because Octopets was providing tank bred bimacs, no one else stepped forward to also provide aquacultured octos. Some of us are already thinking of that now. In the meantime, it looks like octos will be imported from Indonesia to the LFS. Some briareus are available, but the survival rate doesn't seem to be very good.

    Nancy
     
  2. monty

    monty Colossal Squid Staff Member Supporter

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    Did he say give any details about why they're not considering it? I'm thinking that if it's because they don't have the expertise without Jim, maybe we could work to address that, versus if they've decided that they just don't want it in their facility, we'd have to find another location, etc.... it would also be useful to know if there are reasons they don't want to continue with it that we'd have to address, too... (not profitable, too much work, high mortality rate, too much loss in shipping, ...?)
     
  3. DHyslop

    DHyslop Architeuthis Supporter

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    Well, it would seem our worst fears have been realized. I'll stop by my LFS tomorrow night and see if they've heard back from their distributors about finding a diver to get eggs. Failing that I'll see if I can find one through Fish Supply, or start calling California dive shops.

    Dan
     
  4. William Tyson

    William Tyson Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    Its prob $ and time devoted to them that they dont want to invest. they dont see a big enough market for captive bred octo's or one at all, especialy when it is easy to capture them abroad.

    just my 2 cents
     
  5. joefish84

    joefish84 Sepia elegans Registered

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    we just need someone to start up a similar buisiness. it doesnt have to be as large scale as jims but just enough to support the small market. maybe just have 1 or 2 sets of breeding adults to begin and just use them and the offspring to supply the market. that way the operation can be small enough to fit in someones backyard or house. even if they only get out 50 or so babies a year to the public it would be better than nothing. also what if we all bug the large research facilities until they decide to breed certain species for us and in return we pay for them in order to keep up their research?
     
  6. DHyslop

    DHyslop Architeuthis Supporter

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    The first goal is somewhat realistic as it is closest to what will likely happen. Remember that one breeding pair of bimacs means about 500 eggs, and are only really attainable in southern California. Hiring a diver to steal a single festoon of 10-30 eggs, shipping them across country and raising the hatchlings is a little more realistic. I am certain this will not be a profitable venture, but one done as a hobby that might come close to paying for itself. I'll let you know how profitable it ends up being.

    I don't think its worth harassing the NRCC. James Wood's webpage puts it best:

    Bugging them isn't going to make them like you any more. And how much would we really have to offer them? If you take the entire recent thread about bimac demand, assume everyone on there will indeed buy one this year (which is certainly not going to happen) you're only talking $500 or so.


    Dan
     
  7. William Tyson

    William Tyson Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    i think the best idea is multiple small scale breeding operations, dan i noticed that you are on the hunt for bimac eggs, say ten more people follow your idea and breed, then there would be close to the supply of octopets.
     
  8. Nancy

    Nancy Titanites Staff Member Moderator

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    I think we can raise any large-egged octopus (bimac, briareus and some of the dwarfs) - but we'll have a learning curve. I can find out a lot and have the experience of trying to raise briareus hatchlings. It looks like amphipod culture is easy, too.

    So our first step is investigation and learning and some of you might want to fill in with wild caught octos - perhaps these will lay fertile eggs. I'm going to find out more from Fish Supply about their wild caught octos (not the blue rings). Before Octopets, they supplied healthy young octopuses.

    Nancy
     
  9. DHyslop

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    I doubt that there are going to be ten others out there like me. Keep in mind a hatchling bimac can eat 3 amphipods a day. Twenty hatchlings will eat 60 a day which ends up costing over $1000 a month if I were to buy them. Anyone who wants to raise hatchlings is going to have to set up one major pod farm to handle that first month or so. Really, multiple feed systems, since I'll want mysis for the first few weeks, too. Living in a coastal area I should be able to harvest some feed, but it might not be worth my while.

    Dan
     
  10. William Tyson

    William Tyson Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    if only i lived by the ocean.......(and had a couple grand laying around)
     
  11. Nancy

    Nancy Titanites Staff Member Moderator

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    This news is distressing. True, I don't have an octo pet, but I have enjoyed reading about this creature among you. True, too short lived, but with no supply... ! This is terrible!

    I'll be "lurking" and hoping you can find a solution. Perhaps your solution will be even more interesting than the past sources. I hope so.
     
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    I've never been able to scale up amphipods, but what about mysid shrimp? They breed readily in my tank.
     
  14. DHyslop

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    My existing tanks are the other way around: plenty of amphipods feeding on detritus in the night, but I rarely ever spot a mysid. A large mysid operation is pretty complex, actually. They require hatchling artemia twice daily and the young continually need to be separated from the adults.

    The amphipods, on the other hand, will do just fine on flake food. I'm thinking about setting up a 30 gallon breeder tank for them. I don't know if setting up a dedicated mysid hatchery will be worth my while for the few weeks they would be eating them. They're cheaper to order than amphipods so I might just do that. When I have some more details of my hatcheries I'll post them in my bimac thread.

    Dan
     
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    Castor Vampyroteuthis Supporter

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    Or an eager venture capitalist. :boat:
     
  16. joefish84

    joefish84 Sepia elegans Registered

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    about the amphis. i know someone who is testing a new amphipod/coapapod culture idea that works amazingly well. instead of starting with a few in your tank and letting them breed this is based on the same principal as sea monkey eggs. they are dry when you get them and there are thousands of them. you place them in the water and within a week your tank is covered in so many that sometimes thats all you see. this is supposed to be on the market in like 2 months! i didnt believe him at first but ive watched the progress in his tank and its unreal.
     
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    joefish, that seems like that's something I might be interested in, as I am sure that many others are also, can you give some detail as to where to find them when they become available? Tanks a tonne for the info.
     
  18. LiquidFunk

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    I own an LFS and must say that I have seen next to zero cephs on my lists in the last 5-6 months. Only ceph listed is the blue ring.

    I do business with 2 of the "big players" in LA as well as 6 or so other assorted importers and transhippers.

    Hopefully the loss of octopets will help spark either another octo farm, or better collection availability.

    If I see any on lists, Ill be sure and let folks know so they can harrass there LFS.

    Joel
    Waves Marine & Reef
     
  19. joefish84

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    yeah ill let yall know about the coapopod stuff when it comes out. my friends said hed try to get some of the stuff for me soon so ill get to let yall know how well it works first hand.
     
  20. William Tyson

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    thats funny, i just started working at a lfs, and we have bluerings, "brown". and "bali" octo's on our list
     

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