BREAKING NEWS: Sleeper sharks as predators of giant squid

joel_ang

Architeuthis
Registered
Joined
May 15, 2003
Messages
2,028
Reaction score
0
Fascinating!!!

I do wonder why there are No battlescars on the sharks. Maybe dead or dying archi's which haven't come to the surface. :?:

Any Idea...Anyone?
 

Phil

TONMO Supporter
Supporter
Joined
Nov 19, 2002
Messages
3,034
Reaction score
17
Indeed Joel, that's a good point. Obviousdly I have no idea, but perhaps the sleeper attacks the squid from the rear, avoiding the arms. Unless of course the sleeper is just scavenging corpses. Mind you, that would imply the shark inhabits a benthic environment at the sea bed, I've no idea if this accurate or not.

I'm going to have to look up sleeper sharks, this is all very interesting.
 

Steve O'Shea

TONMO Supporter
Supporter
Joined
Nov 19, 2002
Messages
4,671
Reaction score
27
What a buzz!! The 'Colossal Squid' is now recognised as bigger and meaner than the 'Giant Squid' in popular press!! (even if the length of the giant squid depicted in the illustration is cited as 18m, and in text 12m).

I do like the statement that the sharks are taking larger squid (on average) than the sperm whale ....... it means that the beaks we have from whale stomachs might not be the largest beaks known (that the animal could get larger than we know ....)

.... I'll write to Yves (he's a squid beak guru; we're hoping he'll be here this year) and enquire about the citation 'Giant Squid' in Antarctic waters. Architeuthis isn't supposed to move into Antarctic waters (this could be a press booboo). Of course the blue shark is also known to take the adult Architeuthis (and I believe maybe another shark species also), but that doesn't matter - I think they're talking Mesonychoteuthis more than anything.

Cool!
 

Colin

TONMO Supporter
Supporter
Joined
Nov 14, 2002
Messages
3,986
Reaction score
6
yes glad to see ole messie mentioned too.... em, and the london bus scale again lol
 

um...

Architeuthis
Supporter
Joined
Sep 5, 2003
Messages
1,968
Reaction score
0
The actual article cites a maximum LRL of 38.8mm (mean 22.3mm) for M. hamiltoni beaks found in the sharks' stomachs. Estimated ML for the owner of that beak is 2.37 m (apparently). Based on some of the pictures of the Sepioteuthis juvies, I wouldn't be surprised to see that Messie eating the shark.

:goldfish: :mesonych:

Cherel, Y. & Duhamel, G. Antarctic jaws: cephalopod prey of sharks in Kerguelen waters. Deep-Sea Research I 51, 17-31 (2004).
 

Fujisawas Sake

Larger Pacific Striped Octopus
Supporter
Joined
Dec 24, 2002
Messages
1,169
Reaction score
2
Good point, um..., and that was my question as well. Now, Pacific sleeper sharks have been known to grow to immense size (great white size and above), but an active predator of the Messie? That sounds interesting... I mean, wouldn't a massie put up a hell of a fight?

Oh, and Steve.. Do you still think the messie is an active hunter or ambush pred like archi?

Oh, and if these are scavenged, does that mean that they may be eating the casualties left ovr after mating and egg-laying, like the Loligo die off we see off the coast in CA after mating?

Sushi and Sake,

John
 

Fujisawas Sake

Larger Pacific Striped Octopus
Supporter
Joined
Dec 24, 2002
Messages
1,169
Reaction score
2
Whoa whoa whoa.... "Rely" on squid? The Pacific sleeper eats sunken whale carcasses, dead fish, and a lot of other stuff apparently... Is this a completely different species?

John
 

um...

Architeuthis
Supporter
Joined
Sep 5, 2003
Messages
1,968
Reaction score
0
The sharks had a bunch of other stuff in 'em:

Stomach contents regularly contained whole specimens of Patagonian toothfish, and discarded fish heads of that species (fishery waste), which were most likely eaten directly in trawls and scavenged at the bottom, respectively. Other prey items were demersal fishes (mainly the skates Bathyraja irrasa and B. eatonii, and the nototheniids Notothenia rossii and Lepidonotothen squamifrons), benthic invertebrates (e.g. sea stars, ophiurids) and carrion. The stomach of nine sharks contained big chunks of flesh (up to 30 kg), which, in 2 cases, were identified as belonging to fur seals (probably the Antarctic fur seal Arctocephalus gazella).
I don't recall any mention of the estimated proportion of cephalopod on the menu (by weight).
 

mikeconstable

GPO
Registered
Joined
Mar 19, 2003
Messages
106
Reaction score
3
Sleeper Sharks

The Greenland sleeper shark is a sluggish creature which dines on active fish like char! How??
Many puzzles still to be sorted out.
Sleepers are known to be persistant feeders on waste animal material, and difficult to drive off.
 

Similar threads




Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
19,653
Messages
203,345
Members
8,700
Latest member
sakur33

Monty Awards

TONMOCON IV (2011): Terri
TONMOCON V (2013): Jean
TONMOCON VI (2015): Taollan
TONMOCON VII (2018): ekocak

About the Monty Awards
Top