Will he live

Discussion in 'Octopus Care' started by rudy, Mar 17, 2006.

  1. rudy

    rudy O. bimaculoides Registered

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    I just got a bimac yesterday. Dripped him, got him in my tank.

    He immediately went to the bottom and laid against a piece of live rock. Breathing hard however seemed to be o.k. This morning he is still alive and breathing, however has a bit of slime around him with sand stuck to it and has not moved. I was happy he made it through the night however I am worried. Would that just be a stress thing?

    Also when and what should I try feeding him if he recovers.

    Salt level is 1.26 and the tank does not have RO water, however I do not really use it for any of my tanks with no issues. Has been up and running for 3 months awaiting the octopus. Nothing else in there.
     
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    Mizu Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    RO water is a MUST
    unless you can in sure (somehow) that the water you are using has no metals in it? Not even trace amounts?
    what works for other tanks does not apply to Octos
    My octo never got a slime thing going on.
    read the ceph care quickly and i would suggest live food
    fiddlers maybe
    Good Luck
     
  3. rudy

    rudy O. bimaculoides Registered

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    Darn

    Well would it be possible at this point to change the water to RO? How much should I change at once?
     
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    DHyslop Architeuthis Supporter

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    In most saltwater setups, the compelling reason not to use tapwater is algae blooms. For invert tanks, the worry is that there could be some copper in the water. I would ride it out, doing a 100% water change at this point isn't going to help anyone; especially because if there was a copper issue in the water, now there's a copper issue in your silicone and LR.

    Would you care to describe the system and where the octopus came from? Might be helpful.

    Good luck,

    Dan
     
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    rudy O. bimaculoides Registered

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    My system is a 30 gallon Oceanic Cube.
    Filstar xp3 canister filter for water movement and it is filled with bioballs and live rock.
    Skimmer is a remora with a maxijet 1200.
    Tight fitting glass top and a single strip flourescent.
    No heater in the tank and it sits at about 21 celcisu.

    About 30 pounds of live rock in the tank with probably another 5 in the canister. Thin layer of aragonite

    Tank has been surviving for 3 months with 2 snails in there and the live rock that is it. The rock came from another tank so was cycled prior to bein in the new tank.

    Octopus came from a local store here Calgary/Canada and was listed as a bali octopus, however from what I can tell with limited knowledge it is a bimac.
     
  6. DHyslop

    DHyslop Architeuthis Supporter

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    Have you run standard tests since the octo's been in? Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH? For an early stab in the dark--even though the rock was fully cured and cycled when it went in--perhaps the colony of denitrifying bacteria on it has dwindled because of low bioload in the tank? Finding out the ammonia level would test that hypothesis.

    The way I understand it, copper levels dangerous to cephalopods are below the detection threshold of most test kits because they're designed for dosing medicinal copper at much higher concentrations.

    Dan
     
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    rudy O. bimaculoides Registered

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    I have tested for all and found no issues. Tell me something though. If there were copper or something else in the water would it not have already killed him?

    Perhaps I am over reacting. :confused: Sure hope so anyway. Waiting 3 months for him I want it to last more than a day.
     
  8. DHyslop

    DHyslop Architeuthis Supporter

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    I really don't know. I've never witnessed copper exposure. I believe it interferes with the ability of the octopus' blood to carry oxygen, so it may be consistent with little movement but heavy breathing.

    What were the conditions in the pet store? Had it been kept in a small or a bare tank? Had he been there long? They might have started killing him by not knowing how to keep him. To be honest I suspect it isn't a bimac, but what it is I don't know. Do you have any pictures of the little guy?

    Dan
     
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    rudy O. bimaculoides Registered

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    Why do you suggest that Dan?

    I will try to get some pics. Alive or dead tonight.

    I appreciate your help.
     
  10. DHyslop

    DHyslop Architeuthis Supporter

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    Bimacs have become pretty rare. They can only be found in southern California and Baja and there are very few--if any--distributors that are collecting them.

    "Bali octopus" is somewhat of a garbage-can description. People in the aquarium trade aren't taxonomists and don't know how (nor care) to identify these animals. If an octopus was collected in Indonesia, or anywhere nearby, they might just slap the name "Bali" on it and leave it at that.

    Dan
     
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    rudy O. bimaculoides Registered

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    He died the next morning. Never moved a muscle so obviosuly I have some issues
     
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    Well, this was sort of broadcast from the get-go, no? Take your time, and let the tank develop well, and then try again. You aren't the first person to kill off a captive octopus (jeez, if you saw my laundry list, you'd shriek), but you can make the life of the next one better. Don't let it get you down, you have owned up to your responsibility, and I'm sure your future in cephs will be much, much brighter.
     
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    Sorry about your loss :sad: . Make sure you switch to RO water. Also it is entirely possible that your octopus was injured or ill before you purchased him/her. I have never seen copper poisoning in a ceph before but I gave my neighbor some African Dwarf frogs (which are also sensitive to copper) and she used well water to change their water. They got sluggish and died within 12 hours.
     
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    Nancy Titanites Staff Member Moderator

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    Sorry about your loss.

    RIP :angelpus:

    I second the suggestion about using RO or RO/DI water the next time, or really for any salt-water tank.

    Nancy
     
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    Sorry to hear this. You may want to think about a bigger tank too. 30G really isn't big enough for a bimac, 50G is the limit. The 30 is too unstable for a high waste prodcuing animal like an octi.

    J
     
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    How do you change to RO water? I filled my tank up before I decided on an octopus...:(

    I know that seahorses are very sensitive to copper, and I keep them in tap water (which is dechlorinated, and the bottle says it removes heavy metals). Now I feel bad...I might have just ruined a tank...does anyone know the minimum amount that can bring harm to an octopus? I have a test kit that goes to around 0.1 I think.
     
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    Nancy Titanites Staff Member Moderator

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    Maybe do a 20-25%, wait a bit, and do it again...
    Maybe you don't have a lot of copper in your water - do you get a city water report?

    Nancy
     
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    No, but i'm sure I could have my parents get one for me.
     
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    Nancy Titanites Staff Member Moderator

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    Copper often comes from copper pipes, either in the water supply or in our house. Inverts would also be an indication of whether your water was safe - but we don't know whether an octo is more sensitive.

    Nancy
     
  20. Brock Fluharty

    Brock Fluharty Haliphron Atlanticus Registered

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    I keep invertebrates fine, but I hear you about the octos...I know (as I stated above) that seahorses are very sensitive to copper, and it can kill them. I have 2 pairs of horses ATM.
     

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