octosquid found

Discussion in 'Mastigoteuthidae' started by monty, Jul 5, 2007.

  1. monty

    monty Colossal Squid Staff Member Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2004
    Messages:
    4,887
    Likes Received:
    11
    Cephalopodcast pointed this out over in "squid and octopus spotting"

    http://www.tonmo.com/community/index.php?threads/592/#post-102081

    http://starbulletin.com/2007/07/05/news/story03.html

    quotes Richard Young as tentatively thinking it's Mastigoteuthis:

    So I figured mentioning it here for the ceph taxonomy & biology folks to see, since I know not everyone reads the "culture and entertainment" posts.
     
  2. mmmccrthy3000

    mmmccrthy3000 O. bimaculoides Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2006
    Messages:
    55
    Likes Received:
    0
  3. Paradox

    Paradox Haliphron Atlanticus Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2005
    Messages:
    720
    Likes Received:
    1
    That thing looks amazing!
     
  4. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Architeuthis Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    2,364
    Likes Received:
    7
    Wow.
     
  5. Emily182

    Emily182 Cuttlefish Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    0
    Comparing this to the Mastigoteuthis tolweb page it seems to fit. Also this specimen looks like it has the characteristic longer fourth arms. I really want to hear Steve's insight on this one.
     
  6. mmmccrthy3000

    mmmccrthy3000 O. bimaculoides Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2006
    Messages:
    55
    Likes Received:
    0
    http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/13630402/detail.html

    The above story has awesome pictures - big, different views - if you really want to get a look at this thing - what a gorgeous critter! Click on the images link under the pic of it to the right (I'd post 'em here, but it's a Flash show and I'm not that savvy...).
     
  7. marineboy

    marineboy Wonderpus Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2005
    Messages:
    184
    Likes Received:
    0
    its only a matter of time before people begin to post the ceph care forums with threads named "How do you keep an octosquid??"
     
  8. Izzy

    Izzy Pygmy Octopus Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2007
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    0
    It's not really the first octosquid, is it? I thought Vampiroteuthis was a sort of combo, too. (Please correct me if I'm wrong - I want to learn...)
     
  9. monty

    monty Colossal Squid Staff Member Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2004
    Messages:
    4,887
    Likes Received:
    11
    Vampyroteuthis is really a "missing link" in the octopus/squid branches of the coleoids... Phil's article on it in the Fossils and History article is pretty good reading.

    Since Steve didn't chime in, I'll report that the "octosquid" name is more of an overzealous reporter problem than reality: the original report quoted Richard Young as classifying the animal in Mastigoteuthis because of arm shape, and that genus has very fragile tentacles. Steve (since I saw him the same day as the report) explained that it is entirely reasonable to expect that the tentacles would break off this animal as it was caught in a pipeline filter.

    PZ Meyers posted an official news story on that as well.

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/07/friday_cephalopod_origin_of_th.php

    of course, whoever named it the "octosquid" was being rather silly, anyway; there are a number of squids, the Octopoteuthidae, that have 8 arms and lack tentacles as adults (Taningia Danae, for a large example. The only thing octopus-like about the "octosquid" was the lack of tentacles, so it was a bit kooky that all the newswires were reporting it as some strange hybrid. One news agency actually had the guts to stand up and say "all the octosquid hype was a unwarranted":

    http://www.kpua.net/news.php?id=11960

    So KPUA deserves kudos for good science reporting, as far as I'm concerned...
     
  10. Tintenfisch

    Tintenfisch Architeuthis Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2002
    Messages:
    2,083
    Likes Received:
    171
    Hi guys!

    Just back from my research trip, which ended, of all places, in Hawaii - in Dick Young's office, with the 'octosquid' in a jar on the desk. :roll: In the top photo above you can see the stumps of the tentacles. As Monty and Steve said, it's very common for squid to lose the tentacles during capture, as happened in this instance. The squid is what Dick has been calling Mastigoteuthis sp. A - hasn't been described yet, but there are 20-30 known specimens. It used to be thought the same as M. atlantica but now they know it is something else.
    He was fielding about 5 phone calls a day about it while I was there... :roll:
     
  11. tonmo

    tonmo Titanites Staff Member Webmaster Moderator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2000
    Messages:
    8,739
    Likes Received:
    516
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Thanks Tintenfisch! That was a big story for sure. Octobot did catch a follow-up story which concluded that it was a squid with missing tentacles.

    Welcome back home -- sorry I missed you this time around!
     

Share This Page