[Non-Ceph] CONGRATULATIONS TO ANDY!!! New (old) species discovery!

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  1. Phil

    Phil Colossal Squid Supporter Registered

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    Please join me here in congratulating Andy Tenny (Neuropteris) on an amazing achievement. Andy has found a fossil wing from a Carboniferous insect that has just been published; not only is it a new species, but is a whole new genus too. One of our very own members has thus contributed greatly to our understanding of insect evolution!

    Andy's discovery and description of the insect Anglopterum magnificum is detailed in this online pdf paper:

    http://fossilinsects.net/pdfs/Prokop_etal_2006_CRPalevol_HomoiopteridsCarbonEngland_preprint.pdf

    Anglopterum magnificum was a member of the palaeodictyopterida, the only insect order to have evolved that became completely extinct and left no living descendants. This huge flying insect had four wings and a wingspan of 30cm or so. With a beak which it probably used to suck sap from plants, it would have looked have somewhat akin to a huge vegetarian dragonfly with a pointed proboscis. The reconstruction below is of a similar insect, Stenodictya, which gives a rough impression of what Andy's insect would have looked like.

    In Bits and Pieces Andy wrote:

    Well, once again, congratulations Andy. You are an inspiration to fossil collectors everywhere!!!!!

    :notworth: :party: :glass:
     

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    :cheers: congrats Andy!
     
  3. Brock Fluharty

    Brock Fluharty Haliphron Atlanticus Registered

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    Wow!!! That is amazing! Congratulations Andy!!!!! I hope you get some $ outta this as well as fame! Lol.
     
  4. cthulhu77

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    Wonderful and awesome news !!! Congratulations are in order!

    Greg
     
  5. monty

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    congrats! very cool stuff!
     
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    :notworth: Way to go Andy :notworth:
     
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    Spectacular achievement, Andy! Fossils and History is one of my favorite places to go here at Tonmo.com, and to have one of our own contribute so amazingly to the understanding of insect evolution is reason to be extraordinarily proud. :notworth: :notworth: :notworth:
     
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    Very impressive! Congratulations, Andy.:glass:

    Nancy
     
  9. Phil

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    Andy, how was a name chosen? Did you have any input?
     
  10. hallucigenia

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    Wow, sweet! That's a beautiful insect.
    ::redoubles efforts to apply to paleontology grad programs::
     
  11. spartacus

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    No flies on Andy !:grin: & I'd love to see Carboniferous fly-paper.
    Have I bored you all with the tale of my failed attempt to get my name in neon lights at the NHM off the back of a weevil ? It's really really interesting :lol: not !

    Keef
     
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    awesome! Congrats Andy!
     
  13. neuropteris

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    Thanks very much everybody - I didn't expect it to create such a stir! My contribution is actually fairly limited - I wouldn't know a Palaeoydictyopteran from a blue bottle normally (though this was obviously not a blue bottle).

    As regards the name I had no input - though I think its a very good name, thats all down to Ru and Andre though.

    This year Anglopterum - next year a complete Meganeura?

    Whats this about the weevil Keef?

    Andy
     
  14. Phil

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    Andy, have you got hold of Evolution of the Insects by Cambridge University Press? If not, you really should. It's an absolutely stunning work and was published last year; it contains half a dozen pages on the palaeodictyoperida and some stunning colour and b/w photos. Best of all, it is technical, but not too technical, if you catch my drift.

    Keef - please tell us again about the weevil. I am still smarting about the rise and fall of my coal millipede. Let's keep trying, eh?
     
  15. Phil

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    From the aforementioned book, here are a few snippets about Palaeodictyopterida (whew!) to help put Andy's discovery into context.

    Palaeodictyopterida were an extinct superorder of insects and were the dominant insects in the Paleozoic comprising about 50% of all known species. The earliest fossils we have of this group date to the mid Carboniferous (320m) but after radiating into a diversity of specialised forms they all disappeared at the end of the Permian (247m). They were one of the very earliest insects to take flight following the rise of forests in the Devonian.

    They are characterised by having two lobes resembling flight small flight wings on the front of the thorax forward of the proper wings and located behind the head. These were not articulated as fully functional wings though on a superficial glance, one may be mistaken in thinking that they were six winged insects.

    Most species of these insects had a long beak which they used for puncturing plant tissues and sucking plant materials, this was in form and function much akin to the Hemiptera (true bugs, aphids, cicadas). They also had long segmented appendages in the tail (cerci) and long antennae. Unlike the Odonata (dragonflies) the nymphs of the Palaeodictyopterida were believed to have been terrestrial which indicates that the two groups must have developed independantly.

    These insects were probably brightly coloured and would have been spectacular in appearance; striking wing patterns have been observed in some amazingly preserved Early Permian specimens from Kansas. These colours and patterns could have been used to confuse predators. In size some forms were enormous, Mazothairos reached a wingspan of 550mm (22 inches), second only to the very largest Protodonata (primitive dragonflies). Any stroll though a late Carboniferous forest would have been an explosive aerial riot of these amazing herbivorous insects, mayflies and predatory dragonflies; flashing colours and dancing forms.
     

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    My belated Congratulations too, Andy!
     
  17. spartacus

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    okay seeing as you asked.....
    it all started when the Flaming Katy (kalanchoë blossfeldiana ) on the kitchen windowsill mysteriously died. When I postmortemed the pot it was full of weevil grubs. I then became more conscious of weevils & their attempts to sneak into the house where my treasured coconuts, smuggled into the UK from the Maldives , were thriving in the sun lounge. No pests were crossing my threshold.

    Not long after this period of heightened security, there was an article in the Yahoo science section :roll: about a bod from the NHM Entomology Dept. who'd discovered a rare Armadillo weevil (Otiorhynchus armadillo) in a shop window on his way to work. There was a piccy too & it was a dead ringer for the perps chez moi.

    I emailed Max Bugman (strange how experts have names to suit their calling in life, according to Richard Fortey there was a worm expert at the NHM called Wrigley & Mr Fortey's predecessor was Dr. Phacops McPhee. A fisheries conservation officer was on the news last week called Mr. Pickerel :lol: ) to tell him I may have his beasties in me garden & he was more than excited as this would be the most northerly population of Otiorhynchus armadillo ever & he asked if I could furnish him a specimen (of weevil).
    How could I refuse, fame & fortune beckoned but not a single, solitary weevil showed it's face until the following summer. When I finally captured a victim I emailed Max & told him of the imminent arrival of weevil 'A' secured in a 35mm film pot, you could tell that he was salivating like Uncle Steve O'Shea wielding his cut-throat by a sperm whale.
    The days passed & eventually a judgement arrived in my Inbox, weevil 'A' was just a common vine weevil. I've never got over it & had to leave the country !:oops:

    what happened to your millipede then Phileas ? was it a stick ?

    Keef
     
  18. OB

    OB Colossal Squid Staff Member Moderator

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    That is just......









    SOOOOOOO COOOOOOOL!!!!!

    Once more I am humbled by the wonderful people here at TONMO. This is really good :smile:

    When it comes to outerworldliness, arthropods may even have a thing or two on ceophalopods, but without the added benefit of intelligence...
     
  19. spartacus

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    Sorry Phil :lol: :lol: :lol: ? I just checked back through "Non Ceph" about your millipede & it was a stick !

    Mind you I found a bit of a Cretaceous marine reptile which turned out to be a sponge ! :oops:
     
  20. neuropteris

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    That was a weevily good story Keef (weevily good..really good - geddit?). I like weevils, one of the few insects that don't give me the heebie jeebies when I find one crawling up my jumper.
     

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