wtas the difrence

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  1. stef27-2008

    stef27-2008 Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    hi wats the difrence between a octopus and cuttle i dont know witch to get for my first time can you keep a few cuttles together ive been told they are more facinating than an octo
     
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    rryyddeerr Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    ok. there is A LOT of information to be had on these forums and in the website articles. if you dont already know the difference between and octopus and a cuttlefish, then you should read as much as you can and come back with some more specific questions. asking "wats the difrence between a octopus and a cuttle" isnt going to get you very specific information.
     
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    MAKOOKAM Wonderpus Registered

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    rryyddeerr is a little grumpy today. :)
     
  4. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

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    In his defence, if questions are short, text speak and not thought out, the answers are likely to be likewise :wink:

    Steff, you might try again with some length, full words and sentences and, most importantly, specifics about what you information you would like and why you are asking. We have not accomplished internet mind reading yet and many of us don't do the text speak comfortably. We are however, a group that enjoys sharing our experiences and helping new keepers and interested parties learn about cephalopods.
     
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    rryyddeerr Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    thats true. sorry. im a teacher, and this phonetic writing style drives me crazy. :troll:but, my point remains the same. if you want to know something, especially something that is basic at least try to figure it out before you ask..
    im new here. i should try to resist the urge to treat every youngster like they are one of my students.

    so a more appropriate response might have been:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuttlefish

    and, as for which is more fascinating, that kind of question could spark a serious debate, and probably should be avoided.:razz:
     
  6. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

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    Hummm, a one line per entry attribute "debate" might get interesting. I remember Roy doing something of this nature (not one line at a time though) during an intelligence spar comparing octopuses with mantis shrimp (Roy took the side of the mantis) and I would not want to get into a battle of this nature with him without a lot of preparation :wink:.
     
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    As an aside, I'd like to see that argument on mantis shrimp intelligence! Those creatures with their extraordinary eyesight and reflexes have interested me for years, but I've not thought of them as being very high on the IQ scale.

    I would guess that humans with some exposure to cephalopods would tend to think of octopuses as more intelligent: they have arms that they use to move things around, walk, use tools, open jars, and so on. The cuttlefish are generally limited to using their arms for camouflage and their tentacles for food capture.

    Obviously both are intelligent, especially compared to any other invertebrate but comparing favorably to most vertebrates as well. But just as whales are intelligent without much ability to manipulate their environment, cuttlefish might be more philosophically inclined than are octopuses.

    That difference might make for an interesting story... ;)
     
  8. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

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    Level_Head,
    I looked up the banter I remembered and found the discussion on Reef Central for your enjoyment. I really think Roy was playing devil's advocate here but it would be hard to argue with him off the cuff.
     
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    Level_Head Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    Thank you. That was quite interesting -- though two of the original four criteria (having to do with vision) would have mantis shrimp more intelligent than humans. ;)
     
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    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

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    I would argue with Roy but not without coming up with "factors of intelligence" of my own. After reading the forum, I came to the same conclusion, setting a ground for "intelligence" needed to be established, but THAT argument still rages in the scientific community so the competition is tough :wink:
     
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    I think I felt rryyddeerr's sentiment when reading the OP. OK, maybe give a pass for being a Brit... :mrgreen: (that's a joke). But in the age of SpellCheck I see no excuse for the spelling issue.
    Another thing that irks me only a little is the unwillingness for some folks to do even the simplest search and spend at least 2 minutes of their own time learning about something they have a question or interest in.
    In retrospect, I'm guessing the OP wished to know the difference in keeping octopus vs. cuttlefish.
    Just the same, my best example of what I'm talking about:
    I get an email or PM -
    Hey, I definitely want to buy some of your cuttlefish eggs.
    So what size tank do I need to get.
    How big do they get.
    What do they eat.
    Can I put them in with fish.

    If this person saw a post here (they found out about me somehow), why not take 2 minutes to find answers to these common, simple questions themselves? I know I may not feel like searching a site for an answer to a question I have, but will at least give it a try, out of respect for other peoples time.

    I recently had someone order and pay for hatchlings, and then contact me a few days later to say that none of the LFS's carried live mysid shrimp and where could they get some.

    The problem will not likely go away, so I don't let it get to me. Maybe it is a form of laziness I see way too often.

    The text-type I really don't like... Written slang / speak... I don't know. It's possibly becoming even more popular. At times I feel that if someone has so little time to type a proper message to me and has to use this abbreviated version of spelling, then they are being disrespectful to me. They probably are not thinking that, but it's the way I feel none the less.

    Texting from a phone gets a pass from me, but it had better be short and an urgent. Sitting in front of a full size keyboard gets no sympathy. :razz:
     
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    rryyddeerr Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    this thread is derailed into, like, three or four different directions! where are the moderators!!?? regulate this insanity!:heee:
     
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    My apologies.

    Perhaps, to the original question:
    the answer would be "how much you shell out."

    This is especially true considering the internal construction of the two: you cannot "shell out" an octopus; he doesn't have one. (At the risk of another derailing, is there a thread here that discusses the shells of certain octopus groups?)
     
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    wtas the difrence

    We're here, following along in amusement :mrgreen: -- nothing here needs moderating in my view... We try not to have a heavy hand around here but we'll jump in if needed. Nothing all that bothersome here that I can see!

    :popcorn:
     
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    i was actually mocking some of the other discussion forums ive frequented where mods will guide conversations just to keep people on point. :tongue: hopefully, i didnt scare the OP away with my initial, disgruntled, response. but we can have fun with him and his thread while he's gone, :sly:whatever the case may be.
     
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    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

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    We need threads like this on occassion. This is not the first and won't be the last that decries the use of abbreviated communication. In the early days, some of the retort posts (usually by educator - not naming names) were as close to flaming as we get.

    We actually do make occassional suggestions to move parts of threads that become multitopiced but we are not opposed to a little fun now an again either :gigas:
     
  17. MAKOOKAM

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    I agree completely. I cant tell you how many posts I've seen coming in here where i just say to myself "Wow. Here's another disaster in the making." Most of the time I just leave them on the side of the virtual highway and hope no one picks up the sack of squirming sympathy puppies they use as bait. It's better that way.
     
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    tonmo Titanites Staff Member Webmaster Moderator

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    That's one way... another is to assume the post is well-intentioned and simply point them in the proper direction -- even if they don't listen, anyone else reading will know that we approach this topic logically and patiently, without prejudgement. Although it can be an indicator, it doesn't necessarily follow that someone who types in short text is careless or incapable; sometimes it's just a default style.

    From our view, of course, caring for cephs in a proper way requires and patience, experience and respect. Posting introductory or advanced questions will get a better response if your style reflects your understanding of this.

    So, the options being:
    1) deride the poster (not a good idea at all)
    2) ignore (that works - sometimes silence speaks volumes)
    3) provide a template response that points folks to the proper articles, the Search function, and a reminder that they'll get better response if they provide more specifics in a clear and understandable way (*this* is the best response in my opinion, but I realize not everyone has time for this and understandably they opt for item 2!)

    Perhaps just a link to this thread would do it :wink:
     
  19. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

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    ah, Tony is in his sensitive state I see :gigas:

    A lot depends how the questions are asked. Any site with content is hard to navigate when you first find it so usually I opt for #3. However, a post of few words and in text speak almost always gets #2 :sagrin:. Unfortunately, if no one points out why they get doo doo for a response, they will never know why they were snubbed.
     
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    tonmo Titanites Staff Member Webmaster Moderator

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    No, that was just me engaging in discussion... *now* I'm in my sensitive state :mad:

    #3 is the correct answer... :razz:
     

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