setting up a tank for an octo

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  1. alien4fish

    alien4fish O. vulgaris Registered

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    HI everyone! :D i am a member over at NanoReef.com and i was reffered over to this site to get more info on keeping an octo, i am already keeping a 29 gal nano right now ( i will post a pic) so i am already dialed in on trate levels ammonias etc. so .......................the LFS has very tiny (baby i think) octo and 2- 3 blue ring octo's as well, i have a 10 gal that i would like assemble and turn into an octo house there will be a fuge thats plubmed in that will sit directly behind the main tank for bio as well as mech filtratio , im drilling holes today 1/2 inch and there will be a bulk head with screen on the intake and lok line one the return, the top has cut glass so it fits very tight on top so he can't wander off, now,............ does he need any spec lighting?? can i use the black sand from the islands?should i use a lot of L/R in main tank? or just run it in fuge ? how much waste does an octo produce? ( so i can manage water changes more effectivley) also i realize that the blue ring is venomus, so should i stay away from the blue ring and just go with the regular ink tanked species?and what other animals can i keep in the main tank with the octo>> should i just keep corals and NO fish (i.e. frogspawn, xenia star polyps ) or can i keep a clown with a BTA ....................................sorry if this is kinda a long post but really wanna get it right the first time,
    thanks
    Kevin
     
  2. mcatee123

    mcatee123 O. bimaculoides Registered

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    dont go for blue rings they can bite you and trasfer tetodotoxin a nearly always fatal neurotoxin that can kill in minutes go to ceph care and look through the articales on keeping octos
     
  3. alien4fish

    alien4fish O. vulgaris Registered

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    thank you, so does it seem im on the right track?? from the reading ive done so far here it looks like the octo's for sale are called pigmy's?? so they stay small ??
     
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    neptune Haliphron Atlanticus Registered

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    Alien,

    Welcome to Tonmo.

    A few points of interest for you. Octopuses create a lot of waste so your tank (10 gal) is going to be a tough one to pull of. You definately can not keep anything other than pygmys in there, but they have some disadvantages you should know of first.

    They have a naturally short life expectancy 4-6 months. That being said you will not know the age of the one your lfs has. Could be 2 months or 6mos, with just days to live. Primarily the pgymy that is traded is called mecatoris.

    Most lfs do not know what they are selling, make sure you are not getting a baby octo, that will grow a lot larger!

    Did your lfs call the octo for sale anything, (brown octo perhaps) that would help to identify?

    I would even recommend a larger tank for even the wee little meca, but you may have success in a 10 with one.

    Hopefully, this helps, and feel free to ask away! :D
     
  5. NickA5582

    NickA5582 Sepia elegans Registered

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    Pygmys do stay small, but live only for half a year and the one at your LFS may be a full grown adult with only a month to live, and spend it hiding in tiny holes in your rock. The best octopus is a O. bimaculoides.

    Octos in a ten gallon aren't a good idea, they produce too much waste and the tank can't handle the load or something like that, ask Colin or Nancy. :P

    Octos produce thrice as much waste as average fish.

    Corals have stinging cells in them, I think and your octo may decide to redecorate. NO fish too, just them, hiding spaces, and some food. :)

    Octos don't really care about lighting, they probably would rather have none at all.

    Stay away from the blue ring, they make lousy pets and their bite is almost unnoticable untill it's too late. There are hundreds of bites in Australia each year, according to Dr. Woods, but only 3 - 4 have died, no hobbyist has ever been bitten though.

    :welcome: to TONMO!
     
  6. alien4fish

    alien4fish O. vulgaris Registered

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    so a 10 would be just ok to start with, and it looks like a 20-30 is ideal with my fuge on the back total water capacity is a bout 17-18 right now, i think what the plan will be is get the tank up and cycling and do more homework on wich spieces i wanna get
     
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    alien4fish O. vulgaris Registered

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    how long is the longevity of the blue ring
     
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    neptune Haliphron Atlanticus Registered

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    With that tank size you are limited to the species you can keep. Check first, and build tank from there. IMO. :)
     
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    alien4fish O. vulgaris Registered

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    and THANK YOU for the warm welcome and SORRY about all the dumb questions :jester: :jester:
     
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    Same as a pygmy.
     
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    neptune Haliphron Atlanticus Registered

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    No need!!!!!! :D There are no dumb questions!
     
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    alien4fish O. vulgaris Registered

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    i think what i may do is finish the set i have now and then i can turn the 10 into a fuge when i get the 20 which is most successful to keep??
     
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    neptune Haliphron Atlanticus Registered

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    BIMAC but they need 55g!
     
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    alien4fish O. vulgaris Registered

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    geeez thats way bigger than my nanoreef and its 29, so it looks like im gonna stay small then at least for now, i dont have enuf room that size tank
     
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    neptune Haliphron Atlanticus Registered

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    I understand. I have 35 g reef, 72 g FO, and a 55 octo tank. Wish I had nmore room too :D
     
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    NickA5582 Sepia elegans Registered

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    Bimacs, but you could keep a pygmy in there, neptune, aren't you captive raising them in the near future?
    I've kept my bimac in my 20 gallon for a while, but this isn't reccomended as they can get big if fed well. :)
     
  17. neptune

    neptune Haliphron Atlanticus Registered

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    Plan on a mecatoris captive breeding program in the future, obsolutely! Nice on picking that up, but it will be the summer after the wife getts used to walking around a few more tanks :P I would love the availability of them with a defined age.
     
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    NickA5582 Sepia elegans Registered

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    And maybe they would come out more freely like CB bimacs?
     
  19. mcatee123

    mcatee123 O. bimaculoides Registered

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    just go to youre pet store and go for a 80 gall starter kit for fish and make sure it has no metal you need a few modifcations like a sump ect thats what im doing :yinyang:
     
  20. neptune

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    LOL I can not wait to see what is learned about cb meca! Doing mountains of research now, and there is so much to learn. IMO -Theydefinately have there place, and living in Florida, I would love anything that takes pressure of wild species!
     

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