Discussion in 'The Octopus' Den' started by lance, Jun 18, 2009.
Something is fundamentally wrong about that video...
Nice follow-up Jennifer. Kordon has had some of the best write-ups about their products and how to use them but I have never accidently found their material (only find it when sent there).
This is the dumbest idea I have heard this may kill our hobby and pass H.R. 669
Care to explain? I personally think this is absolutely amazing, and quite a break through.
It's too much of a stress on all the fish due to the different waste they produce the stress of foreign species and too complete opposite species in the same tank. A goldfish with an occelaris clownfish first off goldfish are so dirty they shouldn't ever ever be housed with tropical fish let alone saltwater second this is a bad idea think of all the hobbyist out there 99% are idiot's that don't research so there marketing a bad idea to begin with to joe smoe who care's less about the fish and livestock just want's nemo and dora for his tank and no concern about the devastation this could do to the hobby. H.R. 669 comes to mind for me how bout you?
Yes, HR 669 does come to mind, however I think in a way it is bad, and I see where you're coming from, but in terms of different species. In almost all reef tanks, people end up mixing fish from completely different parts of the world that otherwise would never see each other. Also, I'd say a very large amount of fish deaths due to noob mistakes are that people see a "nemo" or a "dory" and HAVE to have it for their goldfish tanks and don't realize that, no, they can't be kept together and nemo will die. (as cute as that movie was, it's done a number on the fish in this hobby). I don't know, but I personally don't have a problem with it. There's plenty of other reason's that they can find for HR 669 that this would probably be in super fine print no matter how big of a deal it is. I think a lot of people in the salt water hobby are taking this bill out of perspective. No, it is not just about the Salt water fish, but a number of other animals too, and lets be honest, the average joe couldn't give a rats a$$ about fish.
Just my 2 cents...
I agree I just kinda got real bummed out when I saw it cause I love the hobby and love seeing people enjoy it but this just is goofy but hey my like's and dislike's are gonna be different with everyone else and I appreciate your thought's on the matter.
I appreciate yours too, I wasn't trying to get into an argument or anything, when I saw it, my first thought was "wow, how do they do that, now there's some science" I never really thought of the "bad side" which is why I asked you to explain...
I know you weren't trying to argue just giving your thought's I was being the knuckle head. I just don't want to see unnecessary loss's of fish cause of some crazy idea but what can you do.
OMFG!!! This is disturbing. I really hope that it doesnt get trotted out as an "ancient secret" lending credence to it being the answer for impulse fish buyers. I don't know how many times I've been in one of the excelent LFS in my area to hear a young child exclaim "cool" upon seeing a puffer or small shark....then qucikly asking "is that salt or freshwater?" Our hobby requires a certain amount of dedication, that dedication is homage to the hobbyists before us who made the mistakes an spent the time in order to allow us the luxury of knowing how to properly cycle a tank or gutload or feeders etc. The disturbing part isnt the water; it's the idea that now when that child asks "fresh or saltwater?", the possibility exists that the LFS employee can say "it doesnt matter.
I agree, this could (possibly) alter the fundamental essence of keeping aquaria. Valharrison makes a great point about the ignorant child and shopkeep. We enjoy watching our "pets" behave naturally in a near-natural environment, not creating a mash-up of habitats and seeing what happens. This would be like going to a local aquarium and seeing American crocodiles and bull sharks in the same enclosure.
last 2 replies are right on the head great comment you two
thank you lance
your welcome valharrison
For the sake of backing the discussion, you might look at Jenn's posted link to Kordon (who marketed the product for awhile). They withdrew the product not because of technical difficulties keeping fresh or saltwater fish alive but because mixing the species proved to be a deadly combination.
Unfortunately, it was not possible to get the point across to the public that the best prospects for keeping tropical fresh and saltwater fishes together was by using only secondary freshwater fishes with the marines. When this impossibility became apparent, "Wonder Water" was withdrawn from the market by Kordon. Afterwards, there were a few successive attempts by others to introduce this concept to aquarium keeping, but none were successful.
from the site ^
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