Octo, Cuttle, Eel and Shark

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dwhatley;138062 said:
First, please note my personal octopuses are kept in species only tanks and I have no desire to try mixing preditors. That being said, I appreciate members who decide to expeiment as long as they know the eating habits of the critters they mix and post the results even if the mix fails.

We have (or had since we have not seen Dom around for awhile) an experienced reefer who had good luck keeping an octo with a ribbon eel. The bamboo is not likely to hurt the octo (I suspect the opposite is true as well since it is too large for the octo to eat and not a threat - L8_2_Rise - the bamboo is closer to a catfish than the sharks you are thinking of and an aculeatus is nothing like a GPO) but the snowflake may be a problem and likely falls into Thale's "It is OK until it is not" category.

Do you know what kind of cuttles you have? The only ones we see here (US) are the small bendensis and they can mate and lay eggs multiple times over a roughly 18 month lifespan. Most of the larger ones seem to mate, lay eggs and then die within a couple of days. If the eggs hatch in the same tank as your preditor stew, you will not likely see them though as everything you have mentioned will eat the young at the hatching. If you wish to try to raise them, you will need to remove the eggs and read some of the cuttlefish forums on keeping and feeding the new hatched young. If you have a larger species, IT is likely to be a threat to the octopus if it is still eating.
No, I know what type of shark I was thinking of, and it definetly SHOULD NOT be in a 160 gallon. You (Octohk) realize that this seven inch shark can grow 12 inches a year to be 3.5-4 feet long. aka half the legnth of your tank and who knows how many times as long as it's width. It really doesn't matter either way what aculeatus's relation to GPO's is, a 7 inch fish (no matter what type) is good enough food for any octo, however you're best bet would be trying it with an aculeatus.
 

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Videos of Elly and Tank

For those interested, I have posted a couple of videos.

My Tank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q8DCAkcNDE

Elly following me around while I film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ8qgDWkKj4

Octohk;138024 said:
Hi All,

I have an 600 Litres tank that I started about 8 months ago.

I have an Octo (Octopus aculeatus I think), Cuttle, Ribbon Eel, Snowflake Moray, Large and Small fish and a Bamboo Shark.

I just wanted to share my experiences with everyone.

I got Octo Nelly (my son named her) about a month ago. She has been incredibly friendly and social. She seems to like hanging out (sleeping) with the Ribbon Eel which I found quite strange. She has started feeding by hand a few days ago and I am able to touch her now.

I also have (had) two Cuttles. One died a week ago (and then Nelly ate him) and the other just laid about 20 eggs (big surprise). I guess I bought adults and will have babies soon.

The Snowflake Moray seems to do his own thing as does the shark.

Most interestingly, my tank is not Octo proof (AT ALL). She seems to be perfectly happy not escaping. I put in about 20 shrimp a week and small fish to feed all.

I am hand feeding the eels, Shark and Nelly. They also hunt the shrimp and fish I add.


I am having some water quality issues, but that is another story.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has a similar setup.

I live in Hong Kong and have very easy access to most any species of fish, cephs, etc.

I am quite new at this but have become very interested.
 

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If I am not mistaken, Elly is male. I am pretty sure I saw enlarged suckers and a darker and curled tip on the third arm (clockwise to the right).

I expect you understand that you are playing with fire with this tank's occupants and success will be a lot of luck and your dilligent attention to feeding, water quality and observing inappropriate attention of one critter to another. The mix is definitely dangerous but marine aquarium keeping is not a science and without experimentations AND reporting - the good, the bad and the ugly - we can't grow the knowledge. If you are successful, and your newness to the hobby concerns me, you will also have to move some of the animals (as L8_2_Rise mentions) as they out grow the environment. My oldest critter is a green serpent star that was continually loosing arms to who knows what (it started with a large hermit that chomped off an arm and then went for a second before we could separate them but he would loose arms after being put into a hermit free tank). Greens are notorious for becoming agressive and very large but I was convinced there were two different species since Mr. Green Jeans seemed so frail and stayed small. After about 4 years of being put into different environments for his own safety, he finally seemed to thrive in with my octopuses and then magically started to grow AND began harassing the resident octo for its food. Needless to say, he was once again moved and now has his own tank as he continues to look more and more like the huge ones that are problematic for most other critters. Our concerns about his aggressiveness were confirmed when I put a small nudibranch into the tank and had to wrestle it away from him less than a minute later. You have a lot more to watch than one frail serpent and I hope you will continue to journal observations of interaction, your methods of handling behavior changes and mortality of the mix.
 

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Hi All

Quick update. The Snowflake eel became quite aggressive and had to move her out of the tank, they are definitely NOT compatible with Octos (interesting however is the Cuddle was not bothered at all by the Snowflake and they spent most of their time side by side, however the Snowflake started chasing the Octo). Elly (Octo), the Shark and Ribbon eel are all getting along fine. No one is bothering the cuddle at all.

The Ribbon eel and Elly seem to really like to interact together (play sort of). i will post a video soon of them arguing over who lives in a particular cave. Elly is very gentle with the ribbon and they continue to sleep in the same cave most nights (strange).
 
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Octohk;138440 said:
Here's the video of the unlikely friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6KXnPGjz1o
That is VERY cool. I'm sorry I was a little harsh on you at first, however that shark DOES NOT belong in that tank. You're talking a year, MAYBE two before you have to get rid of it, and there's not that many people who will take it and the aquariums are swamped with these types of offers. I'm sorry, but it's just plain irresponsible to get a shark when you aren't prepared for it, and have no (apparent) plans to upgrade to a VERY large and open tank. Anyone who buys a shark and doesn't have the means to keep it throughout it's life is just plain not thinking and irresponsible. I don't mean to be harsh, but there's no kinder way to say it. I'm very interested in watching the progress, and do hope that you will post the goods AND, more importantly, the bads (if any) that come from this, and that you figure out what you will do with the shark.
 

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It is very interesting to see the gentleness between the ribbon and the octo. What I find most interesting is that you are the second to report this kind of interaction (see my prior ribbon eel link), including the gentle touching. Sometimes odd couples end up changing relationships as they mature and one of the pair kills the other but Dom's ribbon and octo lived and slept together throughout the octos life (she ultimately brooded dud eggs and died naturally with no negative effects to either critter). I am hoping you have the same success (and continue to note the relationship throughout Nelly's life) and that we may start to establish a potential companion for at least some species of octopus.
 

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They seem to really like each other and they continue to try to share the same cave. However, Octo Elly is now giving up and moving to a new cave (he moved half the shells from the tank over to a new spot). Actually, this Ribbon Eel seems to be very laid back with everything in the tank.....even small fish that swim right by her face are not scared. Interestingly the Bamboo shark also seems to have no interested in her at all.

I think alot has to do with the fact that everyone is very well fed (Octo, Eel, Shark all take frozen foods daily from me as well as catch the small fish and shrimp in the tank).

I will keep this thread updated as time goes on.
 

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I would not expect the Bamboo to be a problem for the octo but don't know of anyone else who has attempted the mix. These sharks have very small mouths and are problematic eaters (my son's hatchling would not eat and died a few months after it left the egg). Even if it took an interest in the octopus, it is not likely it could catch or kill it but water quaility and ensuring that the Bamboo is eating are a big concern.
 

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The Bamboo is eating like a pig so far. Anything I put in front of him he eats (shrimp, fish, salmon, etc)

Thanks for all your advice. Its been very helpful. The Octo was sitting on his head one day (I was a bit worried) but the Bamboo did not seem to care at all.
 

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