O. bimaculoides babies; one month old today!

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  1. Cryp_Sis

    Cryp_Sis O. bimaculoides Supporter

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    First, I must apologize for not having posted anything sooner. When I first noticed eggs, I was very pessimistic about the odds of their being fertilized and viable, especially since the clutch looked very small (only about 12 eggs that I could see) and I was concerned about the health of the eggs. Then, once the babies started hatching I was just so busy I did not get around to writing any posts (this was not the relaxing Christmas break I was hoping for, but it was worth it!). Anyway, I have written a quick summary below, followed by notes taken from my lab book. If anyone wants more details, please feel free to ask!
    I will post some photos tonight.
    Cheers,
    Lene.
    PS I refer to all the babies as “she” although, of course I don’t really know the sex. It’s like ships.

    SUMMARY.
    My wild-caught O. bimaculoides laid a small clutch (12 eggs) after 6 weeks in captivity. After 8 weeks of brooding by the mother (water temp constant at 72oF/21oC) the first babies hatched. They continued to hatch over the next couple of days. In total I had 10 hatchlings. They were very inactive for the first 5 days or so, but would ink if startled.
    The babies did not eat anything for the first 6 days then started to hunt. At first the babies caught and ate the “saltwater amphipods of unknown species” from Paul Sachs Aquaculture (product code samph1). I HIGHLY recommend these little rock-loving shrimp as starter food for babies, as they seem to be much easier for the babies to catch than live mysids. The babies learnt to catch live mysids over the next few days. Concurrent with the development of hunting came adult-like changes in coloration and posture, and after a couple of weeks, flashing eyespots.
    Once the babies started to hunt, they also started to fight with each other, so I isolated each baby in an individual tank within the main system. Each baby has a bivalve shell as a den, and currently eats 8-10 live mysids a day (at one month old). I change 25% of the water within the baby tanks daily. They get a full-spectrum fluorescent light for 12 hours; 8am – 8pm.

    RUNNING DIARY.

    10/20/08 Female doesn’t come out of her den, even when I drop in a crab. She was still very active (and out of her den) on 10/18.

    10/22/08 Female is still not leaving her den. The crab coming near is just flicked away. I remove the crab.

    10/23/08 It occurs to me that she might be brooding. I carefully look inside the den, and yes, there are eggs in there. I can only see about 12 eggs, but she might be hiding more.

    10/24/08 - 12/12/08 the female is still eating as long as I hold a crab at the entrance to her den. After a few minutes, an exploratory arm will come out, and eventually she will take and eat the crab.

    12/15/08 I notice the remains of yesterday’s crab uneaten by the mother, although she took and killed it.

    12/16/08 I notice three babies on the tank wall! Two are tucked into corners (i.e. surrounded on three sides by wall/substrate). The third is in an edge where two walls meet. After a some excited squealing (not very scientific; sorry) I decide that I try maximizing my odds of a large surviving brood by raising the babies under a variety of conditions, in the hope that one set of conditions will prove successful (at this point I was still hopeful that there were a ton more eggs in the clutch, and I just hadn’t seen them). I talked to a contact at the NRCC for advice, and the main points were;
    1. The babies will not eat for a few days as they have some residual yolk sac.
    2. The mother might infect the babies with a skin parasite, to which they are susceptible (but to which the mother is immune) so ideally the babies should have a separate water system from the mother.
    My system contains two other animals (both wild-caught), and I have no capacity to set up a separate water-conditioning system, so I decide to move one baby into a separate tank (5”x 8” x5”) covered with a piece of muslin secured with an elastic band. For the time being I leave the other two babies in the main tank. The babies are very inactive; the only sign of movement is breathing.

    12/17/08 Three more babies! I add two to the separate tank (which gets a 50% water change twice a day), and also set up a second small tank, covered with muslin, that I place within the water-conditioning tank within the main system, in which I place two more babies. There are still two left in the tank with the brooding mother.
    I add a few “unknown amphipods” to each tank, but the babies do not show any interest in hunting. In fact, should a shrimp get close to one of the babies, it just gets pushed away with an arm. I move too fast in the vicinity of the babies, and one inks at me, so I quickly syringe out the ink (it is a small, viscous blob of ink, rather than a “smoke-screen” type of ink cloud I see in the adults when they are startled)

    12/18/08 I add the two remaining babies from the mother’s tank to the small tank within the main system. I find a dead baby on the floor on the mother’s tank. Nobody is eating yet.
    The mother is still taking crabs, but just killing them, not eating them.

    12/19/08 I find one of the babies in the small tank within the main tank has died. Still no interest in food by the others. I am starting to feel very disheartened, and am concerned that the lack of hunting, and the deaths, are because I don’t have live mysid shrimp available (my order is on it’s way, but delayed by the Christmas mail load). I try some defrosted mysid shrimp, but this is also batted away with an arm, or jetted away with a blast of water from the siphon.

    12/20/08 One of the babies in the separate tank is dead. Live mysid shrimp arrive, but the babies are still not interested.

    12/22/08 The babies start to hunt! At first they just try to grab the prey with a leg or two, but the mysids are too quick for them. The “unknown amphipods” however do not use the short bursts of speed (they swim at a more constant rate) and so are easier to catch. By the end of the day I have seen three of the four remaining babies eat at least one of the “unknown amphipods”, and I am feeling much more hopeful.

    12/23/08 I find one more baby in the mother’s tank, and add her to the separate tank. Two of the babies manage to capture a live mysid while I am watching. It is very cute watching them learn how to hunt. At first they just try to grab the shrimp using a couple of arms, but this doesn’t work, so then they try sidling up on the shrimp, which are too fast for this too. Next comes the jump-and-trap-the-shrimp-under-my-web method, which eventually works once the babies learn to judge the distance correctly. Fantastic!

    12/24/08 I watch all the babies hunt down mysids successfully. They have started to adopt the hunting posture and coloration of the adults (darker and with a more elongated mantle). One of them even shows the skunk stripe. This is the best Christmas present I could have had!


    12/26/08 I notice that the babies are starting to interact with each other, and it is not especially friendly! If they get too close there is a bit of an altercation involving pushing each other and tangling arms until one jets away. I am afraid that this fighting may lead to inking while I am not around to notice and remove it, so I isolate each baby in a small tank (4” x 4” x 5”) covered by a fine mesh (a cannibalized fish net from my LFS) secured by an elastic band. Initially I plan to replace those babies who were within the main tank, and keep the others separate. However, I decide to do a water quality test on the tank that has been outside the system (with 50% water change twice daily), and get a bit of a shock (I know, I REALLY should have done this well before now, but I stupidly assumed that since the babies were now feeding, everything had to be good). I am far too embarrassed to report the water quality results here, but suffice to say they are not optimal, so I put all the individual tanks back into the main system.
    I put a bivalve shell in two of the containers. I want to get the right balance between providing a den, and encouraging the babies to be out and about, noticing (and capturing) the live prey that is swimming about.
    The mother has now stopped taking crabs altogether (not interested at all over the last 5 days).
    As I am about to leave for the day I see one more baby in the mother’s tank! I don’t know whether she has just hatched, or just been hanging on without food for ten days, but she looks smaller and much less active than her siblings. I put her in a separate container within the tank with a lot of live food, but I don’t see her hunt. She will be referred to as “runt of the litter” in future.

    12/27/08 All babies appear fine, and those with dens don’t appear to have any trouble catching food, so I add a shell den to each baby’s container. The water quality in the individual containers is perfect, but I still change 25% of the water daily, just to be sure.
     
  2. Cryp_Sis

    Cryp_Sis O. bimaculoides Supporter

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    12/28/08 Only the runt and one other baby seem to make much use of the den. The rest like to hang out in a corner. I am finding several live mysids in with the runt each morning; she is not eating as much as her siblings, but she might just need less food, as she is quite a lot smaller. I wonder if she is younger, since I rarely see adult-like posture and color changes in her. Two of the others have started to flash their eyespots. Gorgeous!

    12/29/08 Despite all the babies eating well (except the runt, who doesn’t seem to eat much at all), I find one of the babies dead. That leaves me with five babies from an initial brood of ten.
    Unfortunately the mother is also dead. A sad day.

    01/05/08 The runt is barely eating. I give her more of the rock-loving “unknown amphipods” (which appear to be easier to catch than the mysids) as well as some mysids every day, but very few, if any, are gone by the next day. I also remove her shell, as the “unknown amphipods” tend to collect on it, and she might not notice them.
    Her siblings are eating 6-8 live mysid a day, and appear slightly bigger in mantle size, with arms that are nearly twice as long as when they hatched.

    01/12/08 Unfortunately the runt has died. I haven’t seen her eat anything for the last four days, so I have been expecting it, but I am still pretty upset. On the bright side the remaining four babies are very active, and three of them need no encouragement to feed. One of them (No. 3) doesn’t seem to have eaten in the last 24 hours, but seems fairly active.

    01/14/08 No. 3 has stopped eating. She makes a half-heated attempt to grab a shrimp with an arm if it comes close, but doesn’t hunt any more actively than that. She doesn’t use the shell as a den as far as I can see; she is usually in an upper corner of the container, and most of the mysids tend to be nearer the substrate. I am very worried that she is not going to make it.

    01/15/08 I essentially “Spoon-feed” no. 3 by gently moving a pair of plastic forceps under a live mysid (the shrimp somehow sticks to, or grabs onto the forceps as they are raised out of the water) and then dropping the mysid right on top of her. This works well, and she takes four shrimp with this method. Her siblings are eating 8-10 live mysids a day.

    01/16/08 No.3 doesn’t seem to have eaten any more shrimp over night. She still hangs out near the top of the tank most of the time, but even when she is on the substrate she doesn’t make as much of an effort to hunt as her siblings, and often misses. However, she did manage to catch two mysids today all by herself, which is an improvement over the last few days.
    No. 1 is also usually at the top of her tank, but there are no uneaten shrimp in her tank in the mornings, so I have to assume she is eating well (interestingly no. 1 is far darker at all times than the others, and tends to sit with her four front arms stretched out in front of her, rather than all curled back). No.s 2 and 4 have no trouble hunting; I see them start to hunt within 10s of my adding the mysids. These two are usually to be found on the substrate, so this may correlate with ease of hunting.
     
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  4. sedna

    sedna Larger Pacific Striped Octopus Supporter Registered

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    Wow, what a beautiful job! Thank you so much for your efforts and excellent documentation!! Not to be demanding, but could you share some pictures of you set up?
     
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    Very interesting and informative, looking foward to the photos.
     
  6. DHyslop

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    I'm quite jealous!
     
  7. pool2004

    pool2004 Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    nice! congrats! pics would be great...
     
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    Well done!
     
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    Great report. You've done an excellent job
    Thank you very much for sharing
     
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    Nice!
     
  11. Cryp_Sis

    Cryp_Sis O. bimaculoides Supporter

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    01/17/08 Since No.s 2 and 4 are eating everything I put in front of them, and to increase the chances of no.s 1 and 3 catching shrimp when I am not around, I add 15-20 shrimp to each baby’s tank. Within minutes No. 4 has caught so many in her web she is barely able to move; she only has the very tips of her arms free, while the rest grip a huge ball of shrimp. I hope Octopuses don’t get indigestion!
    No. 3 hunts down a shrimp by herself, so I have to assume she is doing okay.

    01/19/08 There are still a lot of live shrimp left in no.3’s tank, so I offer her a shrimp between the forceps. If I gently touch the shrimp to her suckers, she will take it from the forceps. She refuses a second shrimp though. I don’t see no. 2 hunt, but there is only one live shrimp left from yesterday, so I assume she is eating okay when I am not around.

    01/20/08 I hand- feed No. 3 two live shrimp with forceps, as on 01/19. She refuses a third. If nothing else my reflexes have improved (catching a live mysid between forceps is not easy!). All the others take at least one shrimp by hunting them down, and I also hand-feed no. 1 two shrimp (I am going to end up with some extremely spoilt babies, aren’t I?). None of the babies is hunting as actively as they were last week. Maybe they are just approaching satiation? I did give them an awful lot of food over the weekend!
     
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    Cryp_Sis O. bimaculoides Supporter

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    Here you are. It's my lab I'm afraid, rather than a home aquarium, so NOT pretty (but is is functional!). The first is an overview of the tanks on the shelves. The second focusses on the lower tank (water conditioning tank) and the third is a close-up of the baby tanks within the water conditioning tank.
    I will post baby pictures tonight, I promise. They are on my home computer, not at work.
     

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    Cryp_Sis O. bimaculoides Supporter

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    Okay, just to test the image size.
    This is my first hatchling. There is an out-of-focus penny in the foreground for scale.
     

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    Cryp_Sis O. bimaculoides Supporter

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    Here are two photos a friend of mine took on day two, followed by two pictures of week-old babies
     

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    Cryp_Sis O. bimaculoides Supporter

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    And finally (for now) a close-up of a ten-day baby showing all the chromatophores she has developed, plus the first adult-like hunting posture.
    I must get some more up-to-date photos. My boyfriend rented a macro lens for his camera for the above photos; well worth the $16 a day!
     

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    Awesome.
     
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    monty Colossal Squid Staff Member Supporter

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    great shots, and great work! Thanks for the detailed reports.
     
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    bluespotocto Haliphron Atlanticus Registered

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    Wow that is so cool! Wait are you allowed to sell the babies?
     
  19. Cryp_Sis

    Cryp_Sis O. bimaculoides Supporter

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    01/21/09 I hand-feed no. 3 two shrimp but she drops the second before finishing it and cannot be persuaded to take any more. She is very obviously smaller than her siblings.

    01/22/09 No.3 has hunted down a shrimp by herself! I didn’t see it happen, but she clearly has a shrimp in her web that I did not give her. I don’t want to disturb her feeding so I don’t try to hand-feed her until the shrimp has completely gone. She refuses any more by hand though. No. 1 also catches a couple of shrimp after I hand-feed her one.

    01/24/09 No. 3 refuses a shrimp four times before eventually taking it. She drops half of it without eating it though, and won’t take any more. I’m pretty worried about her.

    01/25/09 Unfortunately no. 3 died overnight. I really feel I did the best I could by hand-feeding her, but it is still very disheartening. At least the other three all hunted down several shrimp while I was watching.
    Here are some more photos.
     

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    Cryp_Sis O. bimaculoides Supporter

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    I have no idea about what is required in terms of selling the babies I'm afraid. My plan is to keep as many as survive to adulthood (I have the capacity for all three of them until they are quite a bit bigger, and can easily incorporate another tank in my system after that) but just at present I am pretty pessimistic about any of them making it. With only 3 left the odds are not really in my favour. Thanks to everyone for your enthusiasm though. If anyone has any idea what I might be doing wrong to have lost 8 out of 11, suggestions would be very welcome.
    Thanks,
    Lene.
     

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