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Discussion in 'Octopus Care' started by jamest0o0, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. jamest0o0

    jamest0o0 O. vulgaris Registered

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    Hi I'm new to cephs and just have a few questions to get me started off(I won't plan on getting anything for awhile yet just thought I'd get started on my research now)...

    anyway my first question is, what is more expensive/complicated to care for cuttlefish or octos?
     
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    They both share very similar needs but octopuses need a securely sealed tank.

    Welcome to TONMO!
     
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    monty Colossal Squid Staff Member Supporter

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    :welcome: to TONMO.

    The costs are pretty similar... as a rule, the food cost for ceph-keeping outweighs all other costs involved. You can find some good overview information to get started under the ARTICLES tab at the top of the page, if you haven't already.
     
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    jamest0o0 O. vulgaris Registered

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    alright, I know everyone will have different opinions, but what do people usually find more interesting octos or cuttles?
    and what do you feed them and how often because I know they are big eaters... thanks!
     
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    Food depends on size/age of specimen. Babies will start with live mysis and pods and work their way up to small shrimp and hermits and eventually take larger crabs.

    We like to suggest www.aquaculturestore.com as a place to order live food.

    I think they are both equally interesting. Main difference to me is octos down swim as much as cuttles, and cuttles don't walk and climb as much as octos. And octos don't have those nifty tentacles to strike their food with.
     
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    jamest0o0 O. vulgaris Registered

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    ahhh thanks so much, I've been reading all of these articles and I notice in all the pictures the octos and cuttles are different colors, now I know cuttles are great at doing this, but do octos do this and do they do this as often in the home aquarium?
     
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    Yes, octopuses also change color, pattern, and texture. Two of the same species can appear dramatically different.
     
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    jamest0o0 O. vulgaris Registered

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    alright so I'm very interested in cephs, but my biggest concern is feeding, I go on a vacation once a year for about a week and during the summer I will go away a few times anywhere from 1-3 days....
     
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    jamest0o0 O. vulgaris Registered

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    how does everyone here feed their cephs when they are away?
     
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    If you absolutely have to leave your tank alone it is best to have someone come check on it daily. You'll need to train someone you trust to take care of it while you are away.
     
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    Agreed. I do some tank set up and animal traspo for people. Always be VERY specific when leaving a ceph with someone. And also do try and find someone you know you can trust to do things the right way, otherwise its heartbreak hotel for you.:wink:

    Also, try and schedule a water change before an extended (i.e., a week) absence. Has worked for me in the past, but it is really up to you. Some discourage it, but I find it especially effective in keeping the ceph safe, happy, and healthy.

    Light timers are also a must here.:smile:
     
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    jamest0o0 O. vulgaris Registered

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    alright thanks, I use light timers atm with my reef anyway so it would not be a problem with a ceph.... okay so I plan to have a 30-40g tank, can someone suggest some interesting species to research?
     
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    Unless you're locked into 30-40gal for some reason, you'd have a lot more flexibility in species if you step up to the 55-75gal range.
     
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    jamest0o0 O. vulgaris Registered

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    I might be able to get a 55-75 in I'll have to measure some, I was told any shape aquarium will be fine? I plan to either have a square shaped tank or wide one...
     
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    Any shape should be fine. Just be careful to make sure the live rock and whatever other decorations you prefer are stable. Sometimes octopi like to decorate...in a suicidal fashion. Just be mindful of that. But monty is right, 55-75 is a better home than a 30-40. i only use 30-40 as temporary quarters. Also, in reference to your species query, I prefer bimac octopi over almost all else. My favorite octopus that I had was O. bimaculoides, and he was great. But I'm biased, so hearing other suggestions is a wise course.
     
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    jamest0o0 O. vulgaris Registered

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    would a 55 be fine?

    and all suggestions would be great

    thanks!
     
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    That would definately be better than a 30-40. Go all the way if you can, but anywhere in the 55-75 range is a pretty good bet. Do you need help with setup?
     
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    yeah, the "common wisdom" is that a 55 is the smallest tank size that we haven't seen problems with for a bimac. If you're cramped for space, 55 should be OK for a bimac or briareus. In smaller tanks, like 40, we sometimes see an increased mortality rate, so we don't recommend them. Water volume is one of the biggest concerns, so adding a sump to a 55gal would be helpful, too, and keep in mind that octos produce more waste than most animals, so make sure to have good filtration and that the tank is well-cycled.
     
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    I'm thinking a briareus needs a bigger tank, but the jury's still out.

    I would just avoid vulgaris because of the size, and dwarfs because they probably don't have the disposition you are expecting. A. aculeatus and O. hummelincki stay relatively smaller than the other common mid-sized octos in the trade, if you can't find a source for a bimac.
     
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    I am really liking the briareus and I found a spot for a 75g I will just need to move some things around which won't be a problem, what size sump/refugium would you suggest? I also would put an ATO in, but I don't really know how to set those up... I know the basics with SW aquariums and octos being messy and all, but I will definately need help setting up a tank specifically for an octopus... what do you do for flow, temp, keeping rock stable, substrate, sealing tank, etc.... I can't think of everything now so anything anyone can add in would be great because I want to make sure I know everything possible for making this successful before I set up any tanks :) thanks!
     

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