New born cuttle not moving...HELP

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Ok so my cuttles arrived today and my bag had one hatched alread. so i acclimated them with cups of water for 3-5 minutes like 5 times .... i poured him into my breeder and he swam around a bit. he doesnt seem to be moving and hasnt moved since this morning...is he dead? are cuttles active when born or do they sleep like most animals??? Rapid response would be appreciated
 

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How is he/she today? Is the yolk sac still attached? It would look like a little bubble in front of the tentacles. They don't often move much right after they hatch. If he/she starts floating, then it is probably dead or near death.
 

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cuttlegirl;185380 said:
How is he/she today? Is the yolk sac still attached? It would look like a little bubble in front of the tentacles. They don't often move much right after they hatch. If he/she starts floating, then it is probably dead or near death.
Well he still hasn't moved... Perhaps an inch since this afternoon . I examined him with a little light and he showed no response... He certainly isn't floating he's just sitting there. Perhaps resting from hatching during transit? He was much more active in the bag this morning.. Is he dead? Asleep? He's sitting in a bed of sand I put in his breeder... Hoping it's ok and will be active tomorrow
 

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Well I got up today to find that he had moved to the center of the egg clutch. Confirming what you've told me. So will he be more active in the next few days? PS thanks for your help Merry Christmas
 

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ok, my second egg has hatched today and he's doing the same, although the first hatchling still seems very sedentary and hasnt eaten to my knowledge, He had arrived alive friday, so im hoping he starts to eat soon
 

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ok, i read that they are this way often when they sleep, are baby cuttlefish nocturnal? they seem to move overnight and never during the day, i have been feeding them tigger pods (a copepod) and im unsure if they are even eating so i orderd some mysis, so im hoping they can hold out until wensday. sorry for all the questions, new to ceph keeping and ive been like mother hen about these eggs lol
 

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If you can get a good close view of your cuttle you should be able to see it breathing. This is easier said than done in a large tank.

When food is offer ad libitum (all the time) which is common for raising hatchlings, it is often very difficult to observe the animals feeding and thus know if they are eating or not. This is a "normal" problem at this stage. You can use smaller individual tanks (there is an article on what I used for octopuses on The Cephalopod Page). Even then, observing feeding is difficult and rare but counting food items and there potential decrease as they are consumed becomes possible.

Sometimes hobbyists continue to provide food all the time for older cephalopods. . . they often rarely see their animals. For hatchling cephalopods, the goal is to keep them alive and growing so providing food all the time is recommended. For older cephalopods, most people would get more enjoyment out of seeing them and therefor benefit from moving away from ad libitum feeding to feeding at a somewhat scheduled time that associates the owner with feeding.

Cephalopods typically learn quickly when live crustaceans are involved!
 

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If you can get a good close view of your cuttle you should be able to see it breathing. This is easier said than done in a large tank.

When food is offer ad libitum (all the time) which is common for raising hatchlings, it is often very difficult to observe the animals feeding and thus know if they are eating or not. This is a "normal" problem at this stage. You can use smaller individual tanks (there is an article on what I used for octopuses on The Cephalopod Page). Even then, observing feeding is difficult and rare but counting food items and there potential decrease as they are consumed becomes possible.

Sometimes hobbyists continue to provide food all the time for older cephalopods. . . they often rarely see their animals. For hatchling cephalopods, the goal is to keep them alive and growing so providing food all the time is recommended. For older cephalopods, most people would get more enjoyment out of seeing them and therefor benefit from moving away from ad libitum feeding to feeding at a somewhat scheduled time that associates the owner with feeding.

Cephalopods typically learn quickly when live crustaceans are involved!
ok, i lost one yesterday so im worried their starving, im currently trying black worms (my mysis doesnt arrive for a few days, btw my PH is currently 7.6 , a bit on the low side but could this be the cause of death? are young cuttles nocturnal? they just seem more active at night,
 

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ceph;185621 said:
If you can get a good close view of your cuttle you should be able to see it breathing. This is easier said than done in a large tank.

When food is offer ad libitum (all the time) which is common for raising hatchlings, it is often very difficult to observe the animals feeding and thus know if they are eating or not. This is a "normal" problem at this stage. You can use smaller individual tanks (there is an article on what I used for octopuses on The Cephalopod Page). Even then, observing feeding is difficult and rare but counting food items and there potential decrease as they are consumed becomes possible.

Sometimes hobbyists continue to provide food all the time for older cephalopods. . . they often rarely see their animals. For hatchling cephalopods, the goal is to keep them alive and growing so providing food all the time is recommended. For older cephalopods, most people would get more enjoyment out of seeing them and therefor benefit from moving away from ad libitum feeding to feeding at a somewhat scheduled time that associates the owner with feeding.

Cephalopods typically learn quickly when live crustaceans are involved!
ok, i lost one yesterday so im worried their starving, im currently trying black worms (my mysis doesnt arrive for a few days, btw my PH is currently 7.6 , a bit on the low side but could this be the cause of death? are young cuttles nocturnal? they just seem more active at night,
 

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I would guess they need food. Never saw one actually grab and eat a tigger pod. pH of 7.6 should like a testing error because its kinda crazy low...how are you testing? Yes, the are often more active at night when very small.
 

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Got amphipods? Know anyone who has them infesting their tank? I'm not sure that the worms will work - you are in uncharted territory there.
 

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Low pH is bad. As Thales said, different food is a must. Try feeding frozen mysis.
Did you get the cuttles from an LFS or an online dealer?
 

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Well I got mysis a week ago and he has started to eat. I'm learning about his various behaviors so I'm slowly achieving and understanding of what's "normal" although he seems to have taken like a 3 day break from eating... Or perhaps I'm not seeing him eat. He seems to hunt at night/ explore and when morning comes round he walks on his tentacles to his nap spot in the shade under a magnet cleaner. (I never touch it any more lol) hoping ill catch him eat soon. I'd imagine since he's alone in there with the mysis he'll have no choice but to eat them. His siblings died off a week ago because ups was a week late with the shrimp but I should have orderd sooner I guess. Hoping to get a second clutch of eggs after I've corrected my mistakes (and my little guy gets a bit bigger ) Thanks again for all your info. It has saved me mountains of trouble
 

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I bet he is eating, but not when you are looking. Later on, when he is bigger and older, you can train him to eat fresh or frozen food from a feeding stick or your hand.

After making the same mistake several times, I now always have my food ready and in house before my eggs hatch - I've had to many similar experiences to yours.
 

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