[Cuttlefish]: My Bandensis, Sugarbear, Clyde, Skelator, & Patricia

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So , I removed Skelator from the nursery basket because I was worried that my basket somehow had something to do with my babies suddenly not eating. It was all of the cuttles in the basket having problems, and the one outside of it was fine. Skelator is still just under an inch in size so I was pretty skeptical about his ability to find the food I was putting in the tank for him, bit I was desperate to try something. After I removed him I did a water change, just in case, and tried to feed him. I still had a few baby cherry shrimp left in my tank from when the cuttles were tiny. The cherry shrimp had grown a bit since I had moved the cuttlefish onto bigger food. So I gave Skelator the cherry shrimp and he went right after it!! Next I fed Sugarbear. I think sometimes Sug gets confused by the reflections in the tank and has a hard time hunting. He/she always catches it eventually, but it takes a few tries. This time she struck at the shrimp and missed and started spinning, like she did when I brought her home. She did this for about three minutes before stopping and settling down. I thought she was going to die. But she didnt. And she caught and ate the shrimp later.
After that I made a trip to the freshwater wholesaler and hand picked all of the smallest ghost shrimp I could find since Skelator was so ready to eat the smaller cherry shrimp. He has been eating normally ever since. Im not sure exactly what the problem was, but it looks like it has cleared up. ( hopefully)
 

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Sugarbear has started spinning again.
She has been spinning all day today.
One of her eyes is clouded over and I cant see her pupil at all.
Do you think the spinning could be a vision loss thing?
Is this an illness?
She is around six months old. I feel like this is too soon for her to be going senesent.
She has spun before, but never like this.
I am very worried.
My parameters are all where they should be.
No ammonia or nitrites, no nitrates, 78 degrees Fahrenheit. PH 8.2 salinity 1.026
 

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ugh, sorry to hear. didn't she stop when you isolated her last time? is that an option? at #tcon7 there was discussion that folks had never seen a bounce-back from spinning so anything you offer here would be a learning, I think.
 

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Ok. Her eye is very swollen and clouded over. Im pretty sure it has somethimg to do with that.
She has problems with depth perception when she is hunting and I think this could be the reason why.
I think I am going to attempt to medicate the tank and hope that Im not too late.
If she has some type of bacterial infection then there is a possibility that Skelator might have it as well.
I will post specifics afterwards.
 

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I have had a couple of octopuses have eye infections as adults. I have used Tetracycline in their food with some success. Diego (bimac) lost his ability to equilibrate near the end of his life (also with an eye infection) but tetracycline did not help at that point.
 

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Ok.
I think thats the only medication I can easily get ahold of.
I may try something else with a bath as Sugar is having a hard time catching food at this point.
I have found a thread where chloromycetin was administered orally and helped with many bacterial infections. It slowed down the progression of cataracts and eye infections, but never cured them.
The eye infections also seemed to cause depth perception problems for the other cuttles as well.

I will be preemptively treating Skelator as I am seeing that a lot of these problems are contagious, and he may already be infected, just not showing the same symptoms.
This may be responsible for his past anorexia.
 

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So to administer orally, I can soak some food in the tetracycline and feed that to the shrimp, then feed the shrimp to the cuttles?
They refuse to eat frozen foods.
I tried to get them onto frozen and this resulted in them starting to refuse food altogether, and also to start inking any time I came near the tank.
 

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I am not sure if this will work but it is worth a try. Getting an infected animal to eat the treated food has been a problem for me. It seemed that the earlier I caught the infection, the more likely the octopus would eat the prepared food. I think I would put the medication in the water with the shrimp as well to try to get them coated.

Have you attempted touching the arms with food on a string/stick? I tried this with mixed success with octos but not cuttles.
 

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My thoughts were to do a bath for them, then to feed the medicated shrimp to Skelator at least as he is still eating well.
I was still going to try to feed Sugar the live food.
I think I will refridgerate a few medicated shrimp and try to get her to eat those from me.
I did try putting some thawed krill on a string and moving it around in front of them. It worked a few times for sugar, Skelator just started hating me lol.
I did see a lecture given by the girl who does the Daisy Hill Cuttlefarm. She said that getting their arms to grab the food was key. That its more instinctual. So I started putting the krill right in front of them and under their arms.
This just stressed them out and they started rejecting the live food for a few days after.
I am going to try again with Sugar. I have seen that even though you cannot stop the infection they will live longer if you can get them to eat.
 

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Sugarbear is still alive. But she is not doing well. She spins almost constantly, Skelator has taken to wedging himself in the corner where she is spinning so she can bounce off him when she gets stuck in the corner. She is no longer able to catch live shrimp, but has begun eating dead shrimp off the bottom of the tank. She is getting skinny and weak. The tetracycline isnt really doing much. She is such a strong little cuttle but she is not the same person anymore. I think its time to put her down. Im sure she is just miserable!!!
I have seen the article on ceph euthanasia. Has anybody used any of these methods? Any that are preferred? I am worried that by the time I track down the things I need and get them to my house she will be gone already. But I know I dont want to make her suffer any longer so I need to try.
 

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Sorry to hear -- that's rough. That's a fairly new paper so I'm not sure anyone here has practiced it -- @robyn is one of the authors and may have insight.
 

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Try Seachem's garlic guard... you can add some to the food and the smell usually attracts picky eaters. Also, is the care for dwarf cuttlefish similar to that of pygmy octopuses?
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