Lost 1 of 10 cuttles! HELP

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  1. Illithid

    Illithid Vampyroteuthis Supporter

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    I am hatching 10 Bandensis cuttle eggs. 5 hatched (one in the bag while bringing it home!) since Wednesday and they have been doing okay. I lost one this morning and am wondering for ideas why. :sad:

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    20 gal hex with breeder net. Ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 5 ppm. ph 8.2, salinity 1.0245 (1.024 and 1/2)

    If I had any contaminants (i.e. copper) they would all just die or look sick, right?

    The only thing I did change was moving the breeder net to a area of the tank with less flow. I had read that eggs should have good flow and oxygen so I put the breeder on the opposite side of the tank but in front of the exit of the filter. The cuttles seemed healthy and moved, but did not do alot of color changing or interaction with each other.

    When I moved them to a side fo the tank with less flow -afterwards they all moved ALOT more and started interacting and flashing each other. I guess they were getting buffeted by too much flow for such little guys.

    Any other ideas?

    Do they have a relaxed color state? They were mostly white, now they are mostly patterned brown/red.

    Do babies just die often?
     
  2. Illithid

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    Lost #2 this morning.

    Do hatchlings just die often?

    Someone who knows please reply.
     
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    I have a couple of questions. Are they eating? When they hatched did they still have the yolk sac attached? It could be that you have done nothing wrong, something could have happened in the transfer from the LFS to your house. Hope the others are ok.
     
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    I bought 10 eggs. I did not see any yolk sack attached to any of the ones that hatched yet.

    What does that mean?

    Are they in the egg too long and eating all the yolk?
     
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    If they hatch out too soon, the yolk sac will still be attached, if they didn't have a yolk sac it means they were ready to hatch.
     
  6. Illithid

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    Losing # 3 right now.

    They just turn totally white and kind of lean with thier tail end upward, hanging on with thier tentacles. This guy looked dead, but when I slowly scooped him up he would SLOWLY turn colors when out of the water. No movement, just look like color was leaking in to the white. When I place him back under he would loose the color and go to white, but not swim off.
     
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    how is your water? I realy hope that the eggs im getting(from same lfs) dont have the same problem.
     
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  9. William Tyson

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    did the other five eggs hatch
     
  10. Illithid

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    I just checked them, cuz before I could see the little guys scooting around inside.

    They are all dead. Perfectly formed little cuttles-look ready to hatch and didnt.

    I figure something has to be contaminated somehow.

    Gonna do a water change now, just in case.
     
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    Was I supposed to remove the outer skin of the eggs? I noticed in Righty's article that they looked as if they were removed and didn't know if that was SOP.
     
  12. Illithid

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    After many hours scouring the internet and going over and over water tests, I think I have found the problem.

    I have never used copper in the tank I have them I -I know because I had a bimac in it before (15 years ago). But I think the skilter 250 that is running in it has been used with copper (probably 12 years ago). I got all new tubing and knew the tank was clean, but didnt remember to look at the filter.

    Damn.

    2 babies left of 10 perfect eggs. Let's see how they fair tonight. I'll see if I can get them back to the fish store tomorrow to save them. I'll put extra carbon to draw as much out as possible. I don't have anywhere else to put them -my big tank won't be in till early Feb.

    Only thing I can think of that could cause the die off.
     
  13. William Tyson

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    sad to hear, have you done a cooper test on the tank, skilter?
     
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    I'm interested to find out what the copper test says. I'm under the impression that copper levels fatal to cephalopods remain beneath the detection threshold for consumer copper tests.

    I've never raised anything from eggs other than cookies, brownies and tirimisu; but I wouldn't be too worried, nothing has a 100% survival rate.

    Dan
     
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    yes it makes me wonder, im planning on getting the same eggs illithid has, so lets home that there is no copper in my tank. although i have raised a cuttle in the tank so i would assume that since my last cuttle was fine these babies should be too.
     
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    Even after the cuttle has died, its skin will still change color. This is something Ive noticed. The color will change when you remove it from the water.

    A while back, I had a couple cuttles die after I did some major changes on my tank and I think I started a mini cycle. There were very slight traces of ammonia. But it was so slight that I was not able to be certain even with salifert tests. Under certain lights the test looked as if it read 0. Under other lights it showed a slight reading. Anyways, the cuttles would eventually be white at all times. When it gets close to thier end, you can kinda see the bone through the body as if the skin is becoming transparent.

    I rehauled my tank...added a sump, big ole skimmer, took most the sand substrate out..waited a month and a half and reintroduced cuttles. I havent lost any yet due to water related issue. My deaths have been due to a freak powerhead accident, a murderous cuttle, and one jumping out of the tank. (Yes, that suprised me too).

    I would definetly get a copper test and get the most accurate ammonia test you can get which is probably a salifert.

    You did not need to remove the outer skin of the eggs. They should hatch on thier own. Thier only requirement other then good water quality is a slight current on them. Just enough to not make them fly around.

    Im sorry you have to go through this. Ive experienced emotions of both extremes with my cuttles. Complete excitement to utter frustration.

    Good luck!
     
  17. Illithid

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    My last 2 cuttles seem fine, but so did the others until they died. I will look for a copper test, but I think I will have to go to Gainesville where I got the cuttles to get one. I have nowhere to put the cuttles in the mean time.

    I will wait to setup my big tank before I get anything else, even with a copper test.

    Thanks very much for the feedback.
     
  18. Thales

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    Don't know. Could be stressed eggs, could be 'fate'. Could be water. IMO we just don't know enough. It has happened to me as well.

    Sorry I couldn't be more help, and sorry that I haven't replied sooner - life here is a little crazy right now.

    z
     

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