Journal of Cephalopod Biology

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  1. Euprymna

    Euprymna O. vulgaris Registered

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    I was wondering if the journal of cephalopod biology still existed. In the litterature, I came accross a few papers published in this journal but after a search on the web it seems not to exist :cry: . Does anybody have some info ?

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  2. Jean

    Jean Colossal Squid Supporter

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    Frustratingly this only survived one issue I think. I haven't come across any library that holds it either......most annoying!

    J
     
  3. DHyslop

    DHyslop Architeuthis Supporter

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    Here's what WorldCat has to say about locations. There are probably a lot more libraries that have it that don't share their collections with OCLC.


    CA CALIFORNIA ACAD OF SCI v.1-v.2 1989-93
    CA STANFORD UNIV LIBR
    CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, SAN DIEGO
    CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, SANTA BARBARA
    FL UNIV OF MIAMI, RSMAS LIBR v.1-v.2 1989-1993
    MA MARINE BIOLOGICAL LAB/WOODS HOLE OCEANOG v.1-v.2 1989-1993
    NY AMERICAN MUS OF NATURAL HIST vol: 1- 1989-
    SC COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON
    WA NATIONAL MARINE FISHERIES SERV, NW
    NL MEMORIAL UNIV/NEWFOUNDLAND, ELIZABETH II
    NS DALHOUSIE UNIV, KILLAM LIBR
    ON LIBRARY AND ARCH CANADA, ABS
     
  4. Euprymna

    Euprymna O. vulgaris Registered

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    thanks for the info guys. Its a shame there's only one issue :sad: would have been a journal worth subscribing to!
     
  5. Steve O'Shea

    Steve O'Shea Colossal Squid Supporter

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    That's not to say that an online 'journal' could not be developed, or, if people were interested, a comparable hard-copy journal - basically desktop publishing.

    I think that this would be a great idea. To keep the price down you wouldn't be talking the fancy gloss pages of modern journals, but a bound hard copy could be very easy to produce. All it requires is articles; I would draw the line at describing new taxa in it - at least until it became established (several volumes in).

    How about the launch of the first issue at TONMOcon?

    If you have something that you'd like to have read, and to have preserved in perpetuity, then send it to me. If I had 10 papers I could get it run off in no time (after editing), and then mailed off to contributors and interested parties alike.
     
  6. Melissa

    Melissa Larger Pacific Striped Octopus Supporter

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    This would be a great addition to TONMOcon! If you go ahead, we'd want to have a few hard copies for people who come to Monterey.

    Melissa
     
  7. DHyslop

    DHyslop Architeuthis Supporter

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    It might be best to ensure a continuous source of articles so that you can publish it regularly. I don't know if you would send a copy of the proof to the Library of Congress and get an ISSN number for it, but it is free. Would you bother with any sort of peer review or just accept anything that looks decent?

    Dan
     
  8. Steve O'Shea

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    Because this is a rather friendly site, and because many of the members aren't 'scientists' so to speak, it wouldn't be fair to people to subject them to the same sort of editorial review that more-formally published papers receive.

    A more formal peer-reviewed journal would not accept any manuscript for publication if it has been published elsewhere (in full), and for some journals, in any substantial part. Obviously a TONMO journal would not be an appropriate journal in which to publish ground-breaking news (for the scientific community). HOWEVER, it would be an appropriate place for science folk to publish abridged versions of earlier-published works. It would also be an excellent journal for non-scientific folk to publish their first and subsequent articles.

    It would be peer-reviewed in the sense that Kat or I would review those articles covering subject matter with which we were familiar, and I'm sure that there are other members online, experts in their respective fields, many moderators and other members, that would assist in the review process.

    What I'm trying to say is that we wouldn't be publishing rubbish (not that anyone would submit anything like this). It needn't be full of scientific jargon (personally I find such papers exhausting to read); simple English is preferred (so nobody need worry about this).

    For the journal to survive a supply of articles would be necessary; this is the gamble, but I believe a worthwhile gamble. It might not be the world's most regular journal, but for us it would be a great resource.
     
  9. Euprymna

    Euprymna O. vulgaris Registered

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    I think it's a great idea! Would the articles be ranging from ceph care, culture to biology but also recipes & others ceph related stuff? Or would you like it to be more restricted? Also, I think it be would be interesting to have review articles. students, generally have to submit essays that reviews a specific field. If someone feels his essay is well constructed, critically reviews the topic and could be interesting for others to read, why not publish it in the TONMO journal? Of course it will be related to cephs!!
     
  10. Steve O'Shea

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    I'm for all for this (ceph care, culture, biology, fossils, and ceph-related stuff), but my instant reaction to accepting 'recipes' as articles was a definite 'no'. Then I paused for a breath and thought 'why not'. Another breath later and I thought 'hold all recipes for a special recipe edition' (rather than mix a recipe with a behavioral paper, or one dealing with culture), and a few breaths later I thought of theme-related issues, but I don't think that there would be sufficient input for such an issue at any given time, and that we'd have to be less selective and publish what we have, as and when it was submitted.

    After passing out with all of this hyperventilation, waking up with my tongue resting on the letters f, g, v and b on the keyboard, I guess recipes would be ok, but I'd prefer an article to include a review of a particular ceph-cooking technique than something that just lists contents for a meal, a pinch of this, sprig of that, bake at x°C/F for y minutes, toss a handful of this, stir for q minutes and serve......
     
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    OK - here's a call for Arty folk to come up with the first cover for the journal, the little ceph journal with no name.

    The cover illustration would change with each issue, but the general template (TONMO logo and journal name) would remain constant.

    Come up with some possible names. There's some stunning artwork already online.

    It would be rather nice to have an article on computer animation of squid and octopus also ....
     
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    i wonder if anyone has down working examining toughening and softening of octo or squid as it cooks....
     
  13. Euprymna

    Euprymna O. vulgaris Registered

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    what about...mmmmnn..."The Teuthologist" or is that too serious?
     
  14. Nik

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    the first paper you find on sciencedirect if you search for squid is "Effect of the addition of different ingredients on the characteristics of a batter coating for fried seafood prepared without a pre-frying step" which i kinda like.
     
  15. Fujisawas Sake

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    So Steve, I'm not sure I'm getting your frequency here... What about those people who interview for Scientific American and other such "popular" science mags - are they also talking about earlier work, or are they "allowed", if you will, to give the public a sneak peek at their present or future work? Would this not also affect their peers' perceptions of them in the negative? Sorry, don't mean to sound aggressive here, but I've read some seriously disturbingly wierd science in such magazines which even I could pretty much say was assumption and practically akin to magic or pseudoscience. I guess what I'm trying to ask is wether or not scientific discussion here on the board is a liability in the academic (worldview) sense.

    I'm not trying to attack anyone, but it seems that this view of publishing is a bad one on the side of the "established" journals, and that it should be their peer reviewers who bear the majority of responsibilty to make sure that the articles are well-written and scientifically sound, regardless of where this information was first published. Legal copyright and printing laws aside for a moment, it is anathema to good science to first worry about where information was first discussed instead of the quality of the actual work. Is this a case of "loose lips sink ships"?

    My :twocents:, being that's pretty much what that's worth considering I don't have a degree... :grad:

    John
     
  16. Melissa

    Melissa Larger Pacific Striped Octopus Supporter

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    Hi John

    This is the only thing that will come up in the Physiology and Biology forum about which I contribute information!

    John, there is an element of "loose lips sink ships" in publishing, academic and other. This is probably why Steve sometimes says that he will later post something really interesting - or perhaps it is just to tease us! Something that no one has seen before is more desirable for a journal or news source. Scoops win!

    Many people re-package an idea or an experiment or highlight different facets of it to publish more than one journal article (not journalism, but say, an academic journal) using data collected at the same time. A way to combine the prestige of a journal article with the oomph of more general press is to issue a press release on the day the article appears or someone gives a talk at a conference. In that case, the journal is the de facto first place it appears, and would usually offer far more depth and accuracy than more general media.

    You are absolutely correct that it is the responsibility of the peer reviewers to maintain scientific standards. This is not only to protect against "hoaxes" (obfuscating jargon being used to pull one over on editors) but also to judge whether the researcher used appropriate measures, didn't confuse correlation with causation, checked all their numbers, and so on. But all this is also the responsibility of the author - it's not good to get a reputation for submitting crap work.

    Academic writing is not a place where good writing is valued over content. I find myself in the regrettable position of having to edit things in such a way as to remove a writer's style! Sometimes the format of the publication trumps good writing, and that is a pity.

    My idea - which is probably really different from whatever may result - of a TONMO production would straddle different spheres, with a certain amount of science written for the layperson, links to more in-depth articles so as to offer laypeople the opportunity to read more, and maybe some less scientific pieces from home aquarists and items that could fall under Culture and Entertainment. It wouldn't fit into any publishing categories, but it would reflect what TONMO community members might enjoy.

    I hope this wasn't more than you wanted to know!

    Melissa
     
  17. Fujisawas Sake

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    Melissa,

    Thanks for the reply. Actually, that's exactly what I wanted to know! I kinda figured that was the deal. I hope I didn't sound like I was jumping on Steve. I just get frustrated at all the academic elitism I see at the University level, and how detrimental it is to science both scientifically and politically, and I would hate to see anone, especially as influential as Steve, get burned by those types. Having worked with one of the most politically-charged government agencies in the U.S., I have learned first-hand how much manipulation and back-door dealing goes on. Its disheartening, yes, but it makes you learn diplomacy REAL quick.

    I totally understand.

    John
     
  18. monty

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    As an added stupidity no one has yet mentioned. sometimes academics are judged on the number of papers submitted-- there are actually some universities that have tenure requirements for number of papers published per year, so someone who published 6 stupid papers per year in "the journal of underwater basket-weaving" may get tenure when their colleague who publishes ground-breaking papers in Science or Nature isn't even considered. So, there is a cottage industry of journals that are credible enough to be counted towards quotas, but bogus enough that they don't do a good job of determining that the work is original, or meaningful, or whatever.

    blech.
     
  19. Steve O'Shea

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    I've just been so busy of late, John, that I hadn't responded; sorry.

    No, I never thought that you were jumping on me (although everyone else is, and beating up Neil too). To a certain extent discussing new finds online has concerned me in the past, especially when these finds are unpublished (letting the cat out of the bag when it comes to research), especially when something had been submitted and knowing that if we were 'exposed' for having something in near-entirety online then our manuscript could well be rejected. What is of greater concern to me is discussing an idea freely, bouncing ideas around, even when I know that there are some less-than-ethical persons in the cephalopod community that would not hesitate to embark on a comparable research programme, or use information online for the sake of their own publications. There are some not-so-nice people out there. I've thought long and hard about this, and it no longer concerns me, so I for one will continue to talk freely about some of the exciting research developments, and take pity on anyone that would or might flog an online idea because of their own creative inadequacy.

    We have to ask ourselves the question "For whom are we writing these papers?" Is it to boost our own egos, increase our publication record, or is it to disseminate information? If the real purpose of this is the latter then let's get stuff online. I know that my knowledge has benefited tremendously from online discussions, so it is mutually beneficial.

    Re the journals - there is still a need for these, and for the peer-review process. That is quality control. Otherwise everything I say could be crap ... and we don't want that (I'm happy if only half of it is crap). It is one thing discussing ideas online, but another altogether drawing all of this together into an article suitable for publication.
     
  20. Andrej

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    Hi,
    I have a good pictures of:
    Vampyroteuthis Infernalis,Octopus Vulgaris,Sepia Officinalis,Nautilus Pompilius and oether Cephalopods.

    Write to e-mail: morska_bica@yahoo.com
     

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