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  1. rickg

    rickg Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    I just dropped in to the LFS tonight and left with a festoon of at least 100 eggs ( forgot to ask him what species these are ). I didn't plan on this but they were free and he told me he doesn't have the time to care for them properly. So I now have the challenge of raising them ( if they hatch ). the eyes and tentacles are already visible. I have a well established 50 gallon reef that they are placed in ( in a breeding trap ).

    What are the feeding requirements at this stage? ( my tank and sump have a ton of pods ).

    Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

    Rick

    Looks like I am going to have to get that other 50 gallon going sooner than expected.
     
  2. corw314

    corw314 Colossal Squid Staff Member Moderator

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    WOW!!! How great is that??? I am sure you will have plenty of tips on how to raise these. Do you know what kind of octo? That's fantastic you can already see the babies. Any pics?

    Carol
     
  3. rickg

    rickg Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    I hope this is the right pic. I also grabbed a new crocea clam while I was there.

    EDIT Should also note that there are some free floaters already. I don't know if they just broke off or if they released themselves. Lots of action ( pulsing ) inside the egg sacks.

    I'm getting excited!
     

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    marinebio_guy Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    It would be helpful to know what species they are. Buy the looks the hatchlings will be free swimming when they hatch so make sure they do not get sucked threw the filter. For food they will need really small live food such as amphipods or similar large zooplankton. If they are free swimming then you will be lucky if you get a few to survive. If they are benthic than you will have a better chance.
     
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    rickg Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    I will contact the LFS today to see what octupus he ordered. These eggs arrived with them.
     
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    rickg Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    No luck with a species name. The order sheet said Octopus Species. The ones he ordered didn't make it to the store alive so I couldn't even get a pic of them. Looks like I will have too wait and see. They are doing well so far. I have seen the eggs changing colour tones already so I don't know how far off from hatching they are. Gonna take some more pics as I progress.

    Rick
     
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    Just as a side note try not to disturb them to much because they will hatch premature.
     
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    dbbga Vampyroteuthis Registered

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    This is exciting !!!! I hatched out 200 babies last March :razz: ... Sounds like you are close to hatching. Unfortunately none of my babies made it to adulthood :sad: but what an experience!!!! Those eggs seem really small, mine were huge. The pods will do for a short time but you are gonna need mysid shrimp. Matter of fact I think that the small shrimp that Tony has offered on this site might just do the trick when they get alittle bigger, say three weeks old. I wish I knew about them last year, food was a big issue for me with 200 hungry little ones.

    Please keep us informed.

    This will be one of the most fullfilling experiences you can have, at least it was for me :wink: I think Tonmo has the pics of what mine looked like when they hatched, just awesome news!!!!! GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grin:
     
  9. Colin

    Colin Colossal Squid Supporter

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    Well they are from a small egg species for sure so will be tough to rear... You may be looking at rotifers as being a first food as opposed to amphipods.

    Which continent/country did the octo come from?
     
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    lilswanwillow Larval Mass Registered

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    as a kinda- ot but relavant, you can get the shop to tell you where they ordered the octos from, and then call/e-mail there. I did it before with a corn snake, trying to find out exactly what the heck it was. but be prepared that the main shippers don't like the consumers calling or even contacting... you might get some not so nice language, but you will get more of an answer than octopus species. make sure the e-mail is short, like hi, I recieved some oct. eegs from you, and I was wondering if you could point me in the direction of a spp. or even a collection area.

    good luck, btw
     
  11. rickg

    rickg Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    Need a very quick reply please!!

    Will Phytoplankton be OK for the first little while? I have a hatchling already. It is very much alive and wandering on the bottom of the breeding trap they are in ( watching with my magnifying glass ).
    There are a couple more eggs that have broken off, but they are still encased in the sack ( color changing is visible within them ).
    My rotifer kit is on it's way. I am going to ask on another forum that I frequent if anybody in my area can spare any right now ( they don't know what I have yet. I will receive a lot of heat from them when they find out! ).

    Got to take the night off of work now and get my other tank done.

    Thanks for any help you can offer


    Rick
     
  12. Nancy

    Nancy Titanites Staff Member Moderator

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    I'm not an expert in these hatchlings from the small eggs - but I believe that zooplankton would be better than phyto.. Perhaps you can release these early hatchlings into a mature tank and they will find food. And maybe the other tank owners can help.

    Nancy
     
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    rickg Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    Found out that the octo's and eggs were from Singapore originally. The 2 octo's that didn't make it were only golf ball sized.

    They are now in the sump tank ( lower light area ) in a mini tank with a power head pushing water across the lid, so they receive some fresh water also. Will post a pic later today.

    Rick
     
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    Hi Rick,

    Sorry but Phytoplankton won't do. I doubt the octis will even recognise it as food. All octis are obligatory predators........ie no veges!!!! As a VERY last resort enriched artemia will do until you can get better quality food. But this will only do for a very short time (like one feed!) it's nowhere near nutritious enough.

    Cheers

    J
     
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    corw314 Colossal Squid Staff Member Moderator

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    So how many hatchlings do you have now??? Looking forward to the pics!!!

    Carol
     
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    rickg Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    The one that completely hatched I cannot find anymore. I have three that have broken away from the rest and are doing very well. They are still in there eggsacks but exhibiting very brilliant color changes. As for the rest I don't think they are going to make it. They are covered in a milky film. I did a search on google images and it looks like dead eggs. I haven't taken a close look at them to see if there is any movement within them. I will do that in a little bit. I hope they are OK.

    Rick
     
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    nothing near my area of knowlege but octopets says the eggs need gentle airation/water flow is this what you said you did? anyway good luck - if the eggs came with it and they both died could it have layed the eggs and indeed have been a fully grown adult? especially with the small eggs i guess.

    i hope the missing live one is just invisibly cruising the bottom - and dont worry you did the right thing- they certainly would have all died in the lfs if they couldnt look after them - good luck again. :wink:
     
  18. rickg

    rickg Pygmy Octopus Registered

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    I keep telling myself that same thing, that they wouldn't have made it in the LFS and I at least gave them a better chance.
    Just checked the other eggs and they are still color changing. There is light flow over there holding area to allow fresh water to enter it, but not enough to toss them around.

    Rick
     
  19. oscar

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    well it sounds to me like you are having a good go at it considering you werent expecting this at all!!! Sounds a bit more promising!! just need to get hold of the zooplankton or whatever now! good luck again :grin:
     
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    :shock: The only time I've seen egss were in the aquarium and ones which were trying on the dock fomr the octo pots. :sad:
     

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