Help Needed Urgently...EGGS...EGGS

Discussion in 'Octopus Care' started by octopus9, Sep 9, 2009.

  1. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    octo:Aculeatus
    name: othee
    temp:79F
    salinity:1026
    tank:20gal

    Day1:
    when i woke up today morning 9/9/2009, there are eggs in the glass of the tank and othee is protecting them and does not want to move from that spot...!!!there are between 100-200 eggs...what shall i do ? can eggs hatch in the aquarium ? shall i remove them or not ? can i move them to another tank and put them in a breeder net?

    the eggs:

    http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5844/09092009138.jpg

    http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5961/09092009140.jpg

    1h later othee is laying more eggs , maybe 300-400 now , if you look at the first pic's you will see 2 clusters of eggs only , now there is 4-5 clusters.

    look at this:

    http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5051/09092009142.jpg

    http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1640/09092009143.jpg

    another one on the side of the tank:

    http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/745/09092009144.jpg

    at night othee laid more eggs , over 1000 now...soon im going to need a tank to keep them just befor they hatch ,im still thinking on what is the best way...to move all of them or keep some , but they could get sucked into the filter which i dont want to turn off for water quality.
    the nice thing about these eggs they are white and you can see thro them so we will see the development of the baby inside the egg.
     

    Attached Files:

  2. OB

    OB Colossal Squid Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2003
    Messages:
    3,084
    Likes Received:
    46
    #2    Top
  3. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0

    Attached Files:

  4. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    thanks but this is talking about briareus Othee is an aculeatus...i just need to know , shall i move them now or wait few days ,she is laying more eggs as we speak..
    the artical says best way is to move them ,,,,
     
  5. OB

    OB Colossal Squid Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2003
    Messages:
    3,084
    Likes Received:
    46
    My apologies, I was reading your earlier posts incorrectly. As far as I'm privvy to the "previously known as Octopus horridus" species complex, my understanding is them to be of the small eggs variety, giving rise to planctonic paralarvae and therefore (as yet) impossible to hatch and rear to adulthood in an aquarium environment....
     
    #5    Top
  6. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2006
    Messages:
    19,082
    Likes Received:
    1,128
    Location:
    Gainesville, GA USA
    I think what OB is trying to gently explain is that we have not been successful (collectively on TONMO as well as most aquariums and labs) in raising small egged octos of any species. Sedna has had the best luck at 11 days with Once-ler's young and a special DIY aquarium.
     
  7. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm going to do my best to keep some alive...
     
  8. Neogonodactylus

    Neogonodactylus Haliphron Atlanticus Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2003
    Messages:
    658
    Likes Received:
    137
    I have tried several times to rear A. aculeatus eggs with no success.. They will take about a month to hatch, will swim free as paralarvae for two or three days, and will starve to death. The brooding female will die around the same time as the last eggs hatch. About all you can do is enjoy watching the female brood and the eggs develop. Such is life.

    Roy
     
  9. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    othee is still laying eggs , i think there is over 1000 eggs now...
     
  10. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2006
    Messages:
    19,082
    Likes Received:
    1,128
    Location:
    Gainesville, GA USA
    Please take more pictures. A daily photography session would be nice to record any development in the eggs that might be seen since they are on the glass.
     
  11. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    will do no problem , i will start from tomorrow but when i will start seeing baby's inside the eggs im going to move them in a separate tank for safety so im going to setup a tank soon befor hatching ,you should see what othee is doing inside the tank to protect the eggs , anything that moves will be killed , he just killed a crayfish in the tank with out eating it.
    i must try my best to keep some alive.
     
  12. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2006
    Messages:
    19,082
    Likes Received:
    1,128
    Location:
    Gainesville, GA USA
    I would suggest leaving the majority with Othee (you really should stop saying he at this point :wink:) and only taking a few for your experimental hatching. The eggs need constant movement and cleaning and she is the best candidate to get them to the hatching stage.

    I wonder if the reason she went after Blue was a concern to free the area of preditors before she laid her eggs.
     
  13. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    Day2:
    othee was very aggressive last night , i moved some big snails that could harm the eggs , but left a crayfish ,you should see what othee is doing inside the tank to protect the eggs , anything that moves will be killed , she just killed the crayfish in the tank with out eating it.

    http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9862/10092009147.jpg

    othee seems relaxed today , she slept under the bunch of eggs that are on the top corner of the tank ,
    all she did is check both bunches and gave them a hug and went back on the rock

    http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/995/10092009146.jpg

    this is the first bunch she made at the back of the tank near the censer

    http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4506/10092009148.jpg

    http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4363/10092009152.jpg

    this is the second bunch she made at the top front corner of the tank

    http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1376/10092009153.jpg

    http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9421/10092009154.jpg

    http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2561/10092009155.jpg

    othee is not eating , as we know she will not ,all she will do now is make sure the eggs are protected and well oxygenated, I Raisd tank temp to 81F , and will raise it more in the next few days , as i think that will help the hatching process.
     

    Attached Files:

  14. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2006
    Messages:
    19,082
    Likes Received:
    1,128
    Location:
    Gainesville, GA USA
    So she is not constantly with the eggs and only goes to them for a short period of time?
     
  15. sedna

    sedna Larger Pacific Striped Octopus Supporter Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    1,076
    Likes Received:
    104
    That's cool, thanks for sharing the picts! The aculeatus moms that I had laid their eggs in their dens and I never saw one egg with either of them. It's strange to me that she is coming out of her den, aculeatus moms build elaborate barricades and hole up for about 3 weeks- never coming out until the babies hatch out. It seems that she's so aggressive because she didn't take the usual route...
     
  16. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    Day3:
    First raised Tank temp again steady at 82.2 and im keeping it like that for 1 week to speed up the hatching.

    http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5076/11092009177.jpg

    The Skimmer is shut down for now, and we are going to have less oxygen in the tank in the next few days, I put an air pump with an air stone in the tank to also Increase surface area and improve circulation.

    http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1549/10092009175.jpg

    http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1595/10092009176.jpg


    Othee laid more eggs, we have about 7 branches at the front and 8-9 branches at the rear each branch has about 80-100 eggs. I came to take pic’s as she was protecting the rear eggs, but as soon as I came close she came down looked at me like she is telling me don’t cross the line my friend or I will kill you just like that crayfish and went back and hugged the eggs let the pic’s do the talking:

    http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2708/10092009167.jpg

    http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7554/10092009168.jpg

    http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3104/10092009169.jpg

    I went to seashells and got a crab and talked to my friend there, and got some info and idea's on what i could do, thanks seashells for the sponge filter ,I guess im going to do a water change soon with the eggs inside the tank we will see how we are going to do that because the front eggs are on the edge of the tank, and we don’t want them to stay with out water for not even seconds , , this is the crab I got just to see what she will do with it:

    http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9177/11092009178.jpg

    She looks weaker every day as she is not eating and just protecting the eggs
    look at her eyes:

    http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6287/11092009179.jpg

    http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4822/11092009184.jpg

    If you ask me today which do you want to keep the eggs or the mom I will tell you the mom because of what im seeing every day and what she is doing as a mom is unbelievable to protect her baby’s.
    This is just a small clip but very interesting, here she is trying to raise a live rock and hang it on the glass to hide her eggs from predators.

    10092009012.mp4
     

    Attached Files:

  17. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2006
    Messages:
    19,082
    Likes Received:
    1,128
    Location:
    Gainesville, GA USA
    Would you pretty please consider uploading your files here in stead of imageshack or the really terrible site that has the mp4? I would really like to see these pictures and the video but the images on imageshack are huge and not resizable (hosted on TONMO they will be resized and allow enlargement) and the other site does not seem to play the mp4, just offer to let you download ... something but is so full of advertising junk, you are not sure what.

    To upload photos, click on the Go Advanced button then on Manage Attachements and you can upload as many as 4 images to display directly in the post.

    To upload a video, click the VIDEO link on the top menu bar and select upload video on the left (I am not sure if TONMO hosts mp4's though).

    Thanks for the journal entries so far - but I want to see too :wink:
     
  18. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    Day4:
    Today othee looks better and relaxed even thou he is protecting the eggs all day , but when I come near her she start moving around , here she is hugging the eggs as usual:

    http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/355/12092009190.jpg

    Regarding the temp. and what some members said about it , well i know this could be stressing her and you guys are right ,because octo's don't like high temp maybe around 74-76 is good but let us not forget and im sad to say this , that we are here for the eggs not the mom , as we all know that she is going to pass away soon so what im trying to do here is best for the eggs and not the mom.

    http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5457/12092009192.jpg

    othee tricked me today , i came to check if she eat that crab we got yesterday as she was around it , so there was an empty shell and no movement , i was happy that she eat it , but later on when i came to look again there was nothing in that spot so i was like were did he go how did he move if he is dead !!! well he was not , he was only hiding to protect himself i guss.so he tricked me too tell me does this look alive...!!!

    http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9219/11092009185.jpg

    othee plays basketball but uses the crab for a ball...very interesting video:

    12092009016.mp4
     

    Attached Files:

  19. octopus9

    octopus9 O. bimaculoides Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    im really sorry , but http://imageshack.us/ is one of the best uploading sites , why dont you save them to your pc and then look at them , and i don't know if the web will except mp4 format.:confused:
     
  20. CaptFish

    CaptFish Colossal Squid Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2009
    Messages:
    2,832
    Likes Received:
    96
    Location:
    South Florida
    True imageshack is great, so is photobucket but TOMNO likes the pictures on their server that way they will be there forever. If in the future you clean up you imageshack gallery or lose the account the pictures are lost and we cant use them for future reference. as for the mp4. you can use windows movie maker to convert it for upload on here. TOMNO has a great setup for videos it's super easy to use.

    :sink:
     

Share This Page