[Octopus]: DaVinci - O. hummelincki

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  1. Teacher Kim

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    So I ordered a new octopus last night! It's coming from Aquatic Connection Live in Florida. They said it is a local atlantic species and is maybe 3 inches long. They have had it (them) for a few weeks and it is eating pieces of squid and silversides right now. From description it sounds like the arms are not as long as Orange's were when compared to it mantel.

    They will email me when it ships, either today or tomorrow. Notice that I named this one myself!! LOL!! I figure the kids and I can at least take turns when naming them!! :smile:
     
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    Thats great. I wish I would have had a teacher like you when I was in school. It wouldnt have taken so many years to get in to octos. If the arms are short it might be a merc. From what Dwhatly says they are getting to be pretty common again. I have one and I must say he/she is really cool but stay small and hide during the day. Sure would be nice for you if it was a Vulgaris. I know some crabbers so if this one doesnt work out for you let me know and I could have one shipped. I talked to Dwhatly about doing this and as long as no money exchanges there shouldnt be any laws broken. I would just have you pay for shipping on your end. Its just a thought. Anyway enjoy your new octo.
     
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    I am hoping she is planting ideas for some budding marine biologists :grin:.

    I wish I felt better about DaVinci's supplier but maybe they have changed their ways.
     
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    If it wasnt on the other side of the state I would take a trip and see what they have
     
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    Yea, I didn't recognize them as a supplier I've seen on this site. I mentioned their name on purpose! Anything I should know before it arrives?? I did call and talk to someone on the phone who seemed knowledgable and when I emailed them with more questions, they did reply quickly. I figured I'd be taking a chance on what species it is, but I'm actually getting used to that! It will be arriving tomorrow morning by 10:30 a.m. I will take pics and post right away so we can try and figure out what it is! Also, it's being shipped overnight so I hope that helps keep it in good shape. We will see what happens...

    It's nice to meet you sirreal and thanks for the great offer to help!! I will definitely be in touch with you for our next one! We have now started marking on our world map where different octopus species come from! We are also comparing their size, looks, etc... It's pretty cool how much the kids really love the octopuses!! I do think we have some future marine biologists here!!

    Also, D, I have to thank you again for Diego! Originally we were going to try and preserve Ziggy. Since you offered Diego, we were able to have a "funeral" for Ziggy. Well, 3 days ago one of my 4 year old little girl's grandpa died. When her mom started to explain to her what a funeral was, the little girl replied "I've been to a funeral mom, remember, Ziggy's! I even got to put his box in the hole!" The mom was so appreciative that her daughter had been introduced to this concept! Just wanted to share because you get credit too!

    Thanks for help and comments! We will see what tomorrow brings!
     
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    Interesting that the animal funeral was understood. I forget sometimes that kids curiosity is not biased but thinking back, I remember wanting to touch a dead person at my first funeral (a great grandmother to that I was not close to). Today I would prefer a wake without the body being present. I hope the little girl was not close to this grandparent. I know you have mentioned that another child expected Ziggy to reincarnate and death is a hard concept, even for adults.

    Be sure to mention packaging etc when DaVinci arrives. Their response to your inquiries has been far more positive than my own experience (very long ago and not with cephs). They ARE mentioned under their old name (still their web URL) as AquaCon.

    I did a quick look for any others that may have come from AquaCon and you may get very lucky tomorrow. :fingerscrossed: An O. hummelincki would be ideal for your arrangement and for the kids to see it.

    On the other hand, here is some of the discussion about the company.
     
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    wow I just read the discussion about that site. I cant believe they are still in business. maybe they fixed there issues. At least I hope so
     
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    OK, he/she has arrived! Box sealed with good padding and heat packs. DaVinci is alive and healthy! Will attach a pic right now. Am looking for details to help ID. So far I can see webbing between arms, Eyes poke up often. Has changed color more than any others. Tends to get very dark and then lightens back up to medium brown malted color. Three legs appear to have been damaged and are growing back. Of course 3rd arm to right is one of them! Am watching for how it is carried though!! Will post more in a bit.
     

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    Sorry D, I have NO idea why my pics keep posting like that!! Agh!! Right now I am having trouble just getting them from my Iphone to the computer!! This octo is behaving so different from Orange. More active, better color and eyes going up and down, etc...
     
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    Wow he/she is beautiful. I am not sure what it is. The size makes me think merc but I dont ever remember that color on mine. the missing legs and the webbing makes me think briareus and I have seen that color but I think that briareus dont get that webbing until they are older. Mine doesnt have much webbing which is why Dwhatly thinks mine is young. But you had a briareus already so I would think you might know that color already. I dont know if it just happens later in there life but is there any of the green/blue on it?. I will be intrested in what Dwhatley says. Does not matter he/she looks great. I am very happy for you
     
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    Thanks! I'm really happy so far! Am going to try and put up another pic, We will see what happens!!
     

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    Oh look, this one turned out right!! Lets try another just for fun!! LOL!! Or maybe not!! Can't get it to work.
     
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    OK, shut down and will try again. If this is the right pic maybe it will help decide sex at least!! LOL!!
     

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    Am trying to get a variety of pics because I realize that once it goes in the tank, I may not see it again for awhile!!! LOL!!! Kids all got a really good look at it too! Here's another view..... if it works!
     

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    OK. This may be the last pic I have to post for awhile. I will try to get a couple more when I release him/her. If I've posted doubles, I appologise, but I do remember when I was new and could hardly do any of this!! LOL!
     

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    I released it and boy did it take off!! Couldn't find it for awhile, but I actually think it's sitting in the back corner watching us. Boy does it look like a little rock, but I swear there wasn't a rock there earlier!! Am posting one more pic that seems to be in better focus. We will see!
     
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    Here's the pic hopefullly.
     

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    Geez, Im gonna win an award for most posts on my own site in one day! LOL! We are all cracking up here right now tho, because the "rock" in the corner just moved and caught us all off guard!! I will say that I have all lights off and a blanket partially covering tank right now to ease it's adjustment. This is the first time I have had one that we could actually see not hiding in the liverock. Oh gosh, I hope it's not sick!!! It looked great in the bad though!!
     
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    OK!,
    FIRST, you have an Octopus hummelincki (look back a post #10 where I gave you a link to another that came from AquaCon and I mentioned that you would be lucky if this is what shows up). There are several telling features that your photos (we MUST work on your upload approach in October :wink:) provide. The BIGGEST telling photo is the last one. Look closely just under the eye and you will see a little "target". This eyespot (ocellus, ocelli for the pair). Both the Caribbean hummelincki and the Pacific bimacs (bimaculoides and bimaculatus) have a similiarly colored set of rings. Given that we know it is from the Caribbean (very possibly Haiti) O. hummelincki (priorly known as O. filosus, common bumblebee octopus) will be the match. For more verification, look at the rings around the sucker edges in post #14, You can see that they are a blue/purple (the bimac's sucker rings, when they show color will be orange). This is a diurnal species and usually does not disappoint (we have seen a few bimacs as well a hummelincki that were not day active but not many).

    One odd thing about this species is their size range. They have even been classified (but then changed) as a dwarf species and many we see are only slightly larger than an O. mercatoris. However, some reach a mantle size equal to or larger than O. briareus (arms will be much shorter). Age is nearly impossible to gauge. There is an indent near the back of the mantle that I have noted while raising O. briareus. I call it the adult dent but have no idea what it is or why it forms. With O. briareus, it seems to signify coming of age (sexual maturity). DaVinci shows this dent so I am guessing teenager to full adult on that privately held observation :wink:.

    Octavia was my last octo of this species. You can see other journals by looking for the species and clicking on the names shown in the lists of our octopuses (stickied at the top of this subforum). If DaVinci is male, you will have a great time keeping it. Unfortuantely, if it is female, she is likely to lay eggs soon and they are not viable to raise. For reasons unknown (but my guess is being out more hunting food as they prepare for brooding) females of this species often lay eggs shortly after being introduced to a tank. Octavia never laid eggs and makes me wonder if she was a he and that I missed the hectocotylus (less obvious in this species than in most others but still identifiable). An alternate thought is that she tried to lay infertile eggs at the time of her major inking event but the eggs did not properly form (I saw nothing in the tank to suggest this so I am trying to second guess what happened). A third alternative would be that this species does not lay infertile eggs. A long shot, at best.
     
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    This is exciting! Even if it's a she and only lives a short time, that's fine with me! I am excited to have another species to learn about! I did read the info in the links from earlier posts. Thanks! Will keep reading!

    So, some interesting info on acquacon. First, DaVinci did come well packed and in excellent health, as far as I could tell. He was shipped overnight and I had to sign for him. I called the # on the tag though to let them know that I had seen the UPS guy flip the box and mishandle it! He didn't know we were watching him and box was clearly labeled! Agh!

    Since I was on phone with someone, I mentioned that I had received good service, but had heard otherwise about the past from them. His comment was that he was gone for quite awhile due to an accident back around 08 and that there were some problems then. I didn't really go any further with it, but that's what I found out.

    I did ask more about the octopuses they get in. He said he orders the warm water atlantic ones and asks to get them small. He also said that once in awhile he will order the pigmy ones. He said he doesn't like the ones from farther away because they're not as pretty. I have NO idea as to the accuracy of any of this but that's what the guy said!! I asked and he did say he has "more" of "these" in the store right now. So maybe more hummelincki, or maybe not. At this point, I would order from them again, but I reserve the right to change my mind at any time!! LOL
     

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