BBC News: Thousands of dead octopuses wash up on Portugal beach

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  1. Fujisawas Sake

    Fujisawas Sake Larger Pacific Striped Octopus Supporter Registered

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    CaptFish Colossal Squid Staff Member Moderator

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    wow that is strange!
     
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    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

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    I can't seem to find anything more other than a lot of speculation.
     
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    Colin Colossal Squid Supporter

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    I find it strange that it is only octopuses that are being washed up... If there is something killing them then surly many other inverts would also be susceptible to the cause?

    Perhaps dumped by a fishing vessel?
     
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    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

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    A fishing boat loosing a catch (or sinking, or dumping a catch before being caught for over fishing) would make more sense than most thoughts I have seen on the blogs.
     
  6. Colin

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    yeah, there are quite strict overfishing policies about and it would make sense for a fishing boat to dump surplus rather than open themselves up for a fine... sense from their point of view anyway. I once seen boxes and boxes of Nephrops being thrown over a harbour wall and suspected that they had either "gone off" of were breaching some regulation on quantity???
     
  7. Fujisawas Sake

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    Yeah, by-catch tossing seems a likely culprit. Gee whiz
     
  8. DWhatley

    DWhatley Cthulhu Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't think that many (more likely hundreds rather than thousands I suspect) would be by-catch for the same reasons that poisioning doesn't make sense (that many are not likely to be in close proximity). Octo fishing is a commercial fishery in the area so I think the catch was intentional why it go dumped is speculative.
     
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    What Is Killing Portugal's Octopuses? - TIME


    What Is Killing Portugal's Octopuses?
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    [SIZE=-1]"There's nothing in the scientific literature for this kind of mass mortality among octopus." Twelve hundred pounds is a lot of dead cephalopod, ...[/SIZE]
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  10. OB

    OB Colossal Squid Staff Member Moderator

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    Interesting new take:

    "There is one other option, however. In December 2007, Portuguese police confiscated 9.4 tons of cocaine in a shipment of frozen octopus from Venezuela. "I suppose it's possible that someone defrosted the animals, took out the cocaine, then threw their bodies overboard," says Weber. Still, like Oliveira, Weber is betting on a biological cause. "We've had swine flu, bird flu," he says, not completely in jest. "Why not octopus flu?""
     
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    I saw the cocaine article when I went looking for more news but that was several years ago (as I see you noted) so I discounted the possibility. I still think Colin has the logical direction and I see it was considered but not accepted because of rough seas. A boat in trouble though might dump or lose its cargo.
     
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    Wow, I would never have thought of over fishing because I was over-thinking the topic itself. I was thinking they all mated then died, but then remembered that is a squid trait. This forum doesn't screw around. :wink:
     
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    Octos are not known for mating orgies like some cuttles and squid. Female octopuses incubate their eggs anywhere from 2 weeks to almost a year (depending upon species and water conditions) before dieing and most males can mate more than once and don't die immediately so a mass mating die-off is not a potential here. I wonder why the toxology reports will take so long.
     
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    Massive octopus kill a mystery - UPI.com

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    [SIZE=-1]6 (UPI) -- More than 1200 pounds of dead octopus have washed ashore on a 1.8-mile stretch of beach in Vila Nova de Gaia, Portugal, concerned scientists say. ...[/SIZE]
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    The laboratory results shown that was just too much freshwater content on that part of the coastline. The main reason was that rained a lot during that period and rivers introduced loads of freshwater on the ocean...
     
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    Do you have a link to an article in English that talks about the results? I have been looking for more information but have not found an explaination.
     
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    Hi

    I don´t know about articles written in English, but you may use the google translator on the local news information:

    http://ecosfera.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1417984


    «Octopus died from excess freshwater into the sea
    15/01/2010

    The octopus that gave the coast in Vila Nova de Gaia died due to excessive fresh water ran into the ocean during the floods that ravaged the region in previous days, the analysis showed.

    According to official sources from the Ministry of Agriculture, the analysis performed by the octopuses National Laboratory for Veterinary Research (LNIV), former IPIMAR revealed that there was an "imbalance in salinity" of the octopus that killed them.»
     
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    Thanks for the translation. I probably should not be but I am skeptical of the provided answer. In my mind, if the saltwater was THAT diluted, it would not have been just octopuses washing up.
     
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    I understand and respect your skepticism, after all , it´s quite pertinent.
    I´m not sure if it were only octopuses that washed up , though the news only mentioned about it, I´m about to contact authorithies just to try to have some more informations.
    Also, I´m not aware of how exactly all marine animals react to these sudden changes ( floods, heavy rains,etc..), maybe it´s a nice subject to evaluate and study. :)
     
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    I did got an information that some octopuses did had eaten on the last 24 h before die ( after inside examination).
    The pollution hypothesis is also out of question, if not some species that were said to be more vulnerable to that would die in big numbers ( like Dicentrarchus labrax or Sparus aurata).
    The extension of the coastline that was affected by this happening was 5 kms.
    Anyone wants to take a guess?
    Illegal fishing boat surprised by an approaching authority, maybe? Not sure.
    I hope to get some more info.
     

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