Current news of interest, from CNN.com:

Finding trilobites by the bucket, for free (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/06/26/fossil.park.ap/index.html)

posted the same thing about noon under anyone found a fossil.... :) similar minds think alike

heh, oopsie do... :oops: tough to keep up these days...

Wow, Devonian Park! If anyone would like to book me an all expenses paid ticket then I'm listening! I have never found a trilobite as the rocks in my area are not old enough to contain them, unfortunately. One day I hope to as I think that trilobites are even more interesting than ammonites in their own peculiar way. (I sense tomatos' heading my way?) :tomato:

Seriously, I think that's a great plan, what a fantastic way to get the public interested in the subject of palaeontology. From my very limited experience I find that fossil collecting is regarded by many people as a little strange. I think this attitude seems to stem from a lack of understanding of the subject. Yet if you can persuade these doubters to go along to a site then after they have found their first fossil, collecting becomes a bit of a drug and you can't get them off the beach!

It is a healthy hobby as it involves the imagination, investigation, research and physical work in the glorious outdoors. One can almost switch off and time flies by as one attempts to discover something better than the specimen that has just been found. Once home, the fun lies with the cleaning and attempting to identify what was found that day. No matter whether you have found a remarkable find or not, at least you've had a good day out in the fresh air! :boat:

Let's hope that projects such as this inspire some kids at an impressionable age to go ahead and pursue a future career in palaeontology, or at the very least retain an awareness of history and the majesty of the natural world..

.....starting to wax lyrical......better go. :boohoo:

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I did not find this trilobite, it was a present. I suspect it's from a shop in the US. Maybe someone here can tell us more.

Melissa

Thanks for that photo Melissa.

I've always thought that trilobites are very difficult things to learn to identify as there were so many variations. As your specimen is somewhat worn and a bit lacking in surface detail I'm afraid I cannot be certain. I thought initially that it was Phacops but the glabella, or the central lump on on the head shield looks the wrong shape.

However, having examined a few pictures I'm pretty convinced that it is a trilobite that belonged to the Suborder Calymenina (part of the Order Phacopida). I'd imagine the animal you have there is Calymene sp, or certainly a very closely linked animal. This was a late Ordovician-Silurian trilobite.

It looks like the fossil has undergone severe and very crude repair. Can you be certain the head, or cephalon, even belongs to the same animal? It should have 11-13 segments on the thorax and a rounded tail (pygidium).

This particular trilobite is, I'm afraid, fairly common and are frequently found in fossil shops around the world. A main source of these seems to be Morocco at the moment. Even though it is not rare, it does not make it any less interesting, though!

Just discovered this amusing fact whilst looking Calymene up: it is known as the 'Dudley locust'. It was so common in quarries in Dudley near Birmingham, UK, that it actually features on the town's coat of arms!

For information on trilobites this is the ultimate resource on the web:

A Guide to the Orders of Trilobites (http://www.aloha.net/~smgon/ordersoftrilobites.htm#author)

Perhaps you might like to look Calymene up on Dr Sam Gon's site and see if you agree? There is also a nice photo of Calymene here:

Calymene (http://goniagnostus.homestead.com/files/JUL00_Calymene_breviceps.jpg)

I think the points to look out for are the pattern of notches on the head shield and the shape of the arc of the head.

Thanks,

Phil

Thanks, Phil.

I am not surprised that this is a common sort of trilobite, although trilobites remain rare in its current bookshelf habitat. The repair is crude enough to make it uncertain whether the two parts are from one trilobite. There are 11 - 13 visible ridges, depending on whether you count all visible or only entire intact ridges. The tail is rounded. I'll look up Calymene later to try to confirm whether this is one of Dudley's locusts. I'm sure you have made a more accurate determination than I will be able to do.

Fossils were available everywhere when I was in Morocco, and I understand you can visit the places where they are dug and where some are "made." Apparently, fossil creation has become something of an art. We neglected all this in favor of flamingos and Roman ruins.

This may be an occasion for edible trilobites!

Melissa

Don't blame you Melissa. Ruins and flamingos are somewhat more spectacular.

I doubt if your fossil is faked, just the join may be circumspect. I doubt if anyone would make a fake realistic-looking resin fossil and then slap some crude paste on at the join to make it appear dubious! But then, you never know......

Phil, I agree, "making" a good fossil to break it would be a waste of effort.

I can't help but be impressed by the efforts to create fossils. Wasn't there something about a new find in China that was subsequently suspected to be faked? I don't think that was a ceph, but it was fascinating.

Melissa

Search engines are almost as good as candy stores - here's a story about "Piltdown bird."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1248079.stm

Yeah, I remember that one; there was an interesting documentary on BBC2 about it last year. National Geographic announced this discovery as the missing link between dinosaurs and birds a couple of years ago in a blaze of publicity, only to find a few months down the road the fossil had been forged.

NG retreated with their feathered reptilian tail between their legs on that one.

However, I'm sure subsequent analysis demonstrated some fascinating features, I think the tail (or was it the hip?) was from a new species of feathered dinosaur so at least the specimen had some research value.

Thanks!

Man, fossil hoaxes annoy the crap out of me. Aside from wasting time and money, they encourage these people:

ProjectCREATION (http://www.projectcreation.org/CStation/v9n2-meek1.htm)

Sure, everyone's entitled to their beliefs. :roll:

Sorry, just had to vent a little.

:x

Yeah, well said um.....

It's a free world but creationists are luckily a small, though very vocal minority. Luckily cephalopods are not really a prime target for their delusions. :x

However, there is one poor little squid from the Devonian they have seized on, but I've been saving that one up.....just in case..... :grad:

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Fossils were available everywhere when I was in Morocco, and I understand you can visit the places where they are dug and where some are "made."

Strangely enough I just found this interesting photo of a fossil shop in Morocco selling ammonites. Pity I don't think you could roll those through Customs at the airport on your return. I think they might take up the baggage limit!

http://folk.uio.no/oyengen/geo/morocco/megasquid.html



TF, Excellent!

We just need a smiley for a deity now......

.....oops just found it.... :oshea:

Anyone interested in trilobites (or not) should have a look at the 'Bizarre Trilobite' gallery on this website:

http://community-2.webtv.net/mrbbug/doc1/

Amazing! How could anyone think these creatures were dull?

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Anyone interested in trilobites (or not) should have a look at the 'Bizarre Trilobite' gallery on this website:

http://community-2.webtv.net/mrbbug/doc1/

Amazing! How could anyone think these creatures were dull?

Especially after following that link!

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(Cephalopods, schmephalopods. Feel like making a few more trilobite smilies, Ishmael? :wink: )

:shock: Wow...

I've only ever found very small ones and I had enough trouble scraping away the fairly soft stone they were in, without worrying about spikes and antennae and probosci and such... amazing.

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TTF, as I'm sure you know the professionals often use weak acid to burn these things clear of the matrix to preserve the detail. I'm utterly jealous of you though, I've never found a trilobite in my life! None of the rocks around me are old enough; I'd need to go to Wales or Scotland. A pity....
got any photos you could show us? :notworth:

Um.....more triliesmilies? Well, I'll see what I can do, though I'm not really up to doing all nine orders.

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Um.....more triliesmilies? Well, I'll see what I can go, though I'm not really up to doing all nine orders.

Wimp. 8)

Miniature sandblasters are the prefered means of preparation for trilobites like that. They use baking soda or other fine powder that is softer than the fossil, but harder than the matrix. Funny how fossils like those only started showing up after the invention of the airbrasive unit, your dentist probably uses one on your cavities instead of a drill nowdays.

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Amazing Ordovician trilobite preservation images are available here (http://www.yale.edu/ypmip/) from Beechers Trilobite Bed near New York. Antennae and legs visible, click to enlarge. It's incredible to think these are around 450 million years old or so.

Interesting new theory on trilobite origins. Siberia, perhaps?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/04/040408085320.htm

Today's news: Trilobite was ancient snack food. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3622091.stm)

"There are a variety of other explanations for the presence of the
trilobite parts in the gut of this fossil. But they are all less
probable than the simplest one, which was that they were actually
eating these things."

:trilobit: Yum.

Melissa

Thanks Melissa! Very interesting stuff.

From the files.....here are a couple of pictures of Fuxianhuia protensa which is most likely culprit of this trilobite predation according to the article. This fossil arthropod is from the Chinese Chenjiang fauna at the mind-bogglingly early date of about 525 million years ago.

This animal has been variously interpreted as a very primitive ancestor of the insect branch of the arthropods (urinamia), though other workers have interpreted it as belonging to the spider family (chelicerate/arachnomorph). It had a semicircular head shield, roughly 35 pairs of legs under the body segments all with branching gills, and a long tail spine.

Arthropods such as this one were quite a diverse bunch in the later Cambrian, and it was only with the extinction of many of these forms at the end of the period that the nautiloids exploded onto the world in the early Ordovician to occupy the vacant ecological niches and assume the role of top predator.....

Fuxianhuia, cool animal.

http://www.tonmo.com/phpBB/files/Fuxianhuia.jpg

http://www.tonmo.com/phpBB/files/Fuxianhuia1.jpg

New theory published in New Scientist today that the peculiar adornments on the heads of some trilobites may have been used to fight over mates.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/mg18625015.100

More trilobite news, this time from Norway:

Latest research indicates that trilobites had three-dimensional vision (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1050829.ece). All the better to see those nautiloids coming!