yeah he pulled the same thing with me so i dont use him for anything anymore

yeah he pulled the same thing with me so i dont use him for anything anymore

Tom or Dana?

tom did a few times in a row... i kept getting him to put me down for one and i kept calling and seeing if he had any yet and everytime he said no i saw one go up for sale on ebay from him... finally i called him about it and he fessed up and still refused to sell one to me at the price on the website said "why should i sell you one for 25 when i can get 50 or more for it"

didnt fall under the good seller manners for me

ok done with my rant... back to looking for a new place to live

This is the response I got from Tom:

I haven't had an Octopus for 6 months. Then I got 3 and only one of them was not missing all of his legs. He's on Ebay. I got them from someone that had them in plastic jars with a bunch of other fish. Every time the Octopus would stick his arms out the fish would eat them.

I have one with 8 1/2-1" legs that I will sell for 20.00

one with 2 legs and the others are 1/2'-1" I will sell for 25.00

Last week when he emailed me back it was 6 weeks since he'd had an octopus.

AM,
Tom is a decent collector but, well, he is my age but heavier by a large percentage and drives a red vet ... (OK, so I drive a small brand name convertable too but it is not RED). His general demeanor is why I recommended Dana. I am surprised that Dana was not better with his response though, perhaps he is not struggling as much as in the past or married life has added complexity.

AM,
Tom is a decent collector but, well, he is my age but heavier by a large percentage and drives a red vet ... (OK, so I drive a small brand name convertable too but it is not RED). His general demeanor is why I recommended Dana. I am surprised that Dana was not better with his response though, perhaps he is not struggling as much as in the past or married life has added complexity.

Dana got back to me and refunded my money, the Briareus he had was finally found... in the filter missing most of its legs, as I feared. He told me I should contact Tom because, as Dana said, "I know he's got a great one right now for $35"

This is possibly one of the most disturbing threads I have ever read. It takes a while to boil it all down, but it really casts a dim view on octopus collection for captive rearing. I do hope what we are seeing as a trend is just a glitch, and the community can get back to studying cephalopods soon.

This is possibly one of the most disturbing threads I have ever read. It takes a while to boil it all down, but it really casts a dim view on octopus collection for captive rearing. I do hope what we are seeing as a trend is just a glitch, and the community can get back to studying cephalopods soon.

I don't think I understand what you're trying to say. It could just be me though, I'm pretty tired ATM. If what I think you're saying is what you mean, then yes, the point of this thread is to let people know when and where certain octopus species have been collected/are available primarily for enjoyment and nothing else. While some members of this site want to attempt to carry out experiments and do research on their octopus, the majority would just like to have an amazing creature in their home to observe. Not sure what you mean by your lat sentence.

Please forgive me and ignore my post if my thinking is wrong.

Peace

No, I wasn't commenting on the base idea of the thread at all, just the activity that seems to be surrounding the octopus collection. There are a lot of you out there, that really care for the species you maintain, and we need to be supporting those efforts. Not the money hungry ebay people.

exactly why i refuse to get anything through tom... i would much rather buy an octo or a cuttle from someone who either tank raised them or wild caught them that has a love for the creatures and is not just in if for the profit than someone who catches them for just profit and while trying to "sell them" provides them with inadiquate housing consequently losing many to "dissapearences" and therefore the customer not recieving the ceph, and many cephs dying for no reason. in my opinion this falls under the same catagory as those people who keep freshwater tanks and see a mimic in a pet store and say "i gotta have that ill take it" not knowing a thing about keeping a ceph and not caring about that fact.

now that this thread has turned into a collecting/selling rant instead of a place to find ceph pets should we move this little deviation to another thread or just get back to finding cephs for sale?

Not at all. I think that the Tonmo consumer should be able to see the good and the bad, so as to make a better informed choice about where they buy their cephs. Remember, there are a lot of really great octopus keepers out in the virtual world who do sell/trade quality animals that are well cared for.

This is the perfect spot to look for them.

Just to let everyone know I will not be shipping out any more octo's after the 22nd as I am moving.

Thanks

Aw, that's a shame Marinebio. I will be looking for a young bimac in a couple months time, if anyone else will be selling around then.

I've still got to get an aquarium properly set up :banghead:

Marinebio,

I am in the process of getting a species tank set up, but I've just barely started, have a few months to go. Two things I was wondering. What is an estimate on when you would have any octopus bimaculoides available again. Also, I was wondering how well this species does when shipped(I am in Texas).

Thanks.

mercatoris on ebay if anyones interested..i was going to get one but i opted for a bigger species...

Marinebio_guy: Your pm space is full.

Was wondering your paypal information and if you want the payment now. Also, when would you like shipping info?

Thanks. :)

is any one going to have bimacs for sale any time soon?

The last day I will be shipping out animals is next Monday Oct. 22nd. I'm not sure when or if I will be able to have more for sale as I'm moving to Hawaii and it will take a long time to get things set back up and it will be harder to get brood stock out there.

Zyan Silver told us a few months ago that his dad was continuing the bimac raising project that Zyan carried on last year.

But, we haven't heard anything else since. Does anyone know how to contact Zyan or his dad? This is important to us because it would mean another supply of bimacs.

Nancy

Just saw this advertised. I have never bought off these folks so I don't know about their reputation. Maybe someone else could chime in.

http://www.tropicalfishoutlet.com/Invertspecies.asp?InvertSubCategoryID=21 5&InvertType=

They list it as a tank raised Octopus bimaculoides

That's not a bimaculoides in the photo.

Nancy

My guess is that they thought a Red octopus would catch the attention of the casual aquarist instead of a brown one, so they just picked a picture for their stock photo of an octopus they thought looks cool. At least I hope so, anyone ordering from them would be in a heck of a surprise if they expect a Bimac and get that (or vis versa). If the one in the photo is the one they sell, it might be neat to have one (assuming it is not a large species, although it appears to be), and to learn where they are raising them.

It does say tan under color.

Sounds a little fishy. The photo looks like a poorly cut out GPO and 14" for a tank raised octo is too large for it to be very young

I'm not taking any more orders for octopus.

Thanks
MBG

My guess is that they thought a Red octopus would catch the attention of the casual aquarist instead of a brown one, so they just picked a picture for their stock photo of an octopus they thought looks cool. At least I hope so, anyone ordering from them would be in a heck of a surprise if they expect a Bimac and get that (or vis versa). If the one in the photo is the one they sell, it might be neat to have one (assuming it is not a large species, although it appears to be), and to learn where they are raising them.

It does say tan under color.

I have seen this site before and every time they have an octo for sale they use that same shot.

www.tropicalfishoutlet.com has a lot of exotic critters. That octopus and the other octopus picture are just there as something to click on, I seriously doubt if it's supposed to represent the exact species of octopus they are selling. It's been the same every time I've looked at that site over the past couple of years. If it says "Tank Bred Bimac" that's probably what it is, considering any other time you get "Brown Octopus" or "Dwarf Octopus" or even better "Assorted Octopus"...

Their shipping is kind of ridiculous. About $75 compared to most others $32-$35.

is anyone out there breeding or selling generally? I will be looking for (ideally) a bimac around late december-early january. Whether or not it is very young isnt really important. honestly i'd prefer one that is a few months old.

I am just hesitant to have my LFS order an adult or buy one online that is of unknown species and possibly in its last weeks already.

any leads on the horizon?

If we can contact Zyan, he will probably be your best bet.

Well, I finished getting my octo tank ready. Its a 55 gallon with about 50lbs of live rock. A 20 gallon sump/ref. A 1/4 hp chiller (and heater just in case). A berlin protein skimmer (not turned on yet). Monterey beach sand. A custom built overflow. (Still got some Damsels in there from cycling) I'm gonna give it a few more days to see if its stable and that the Nitrate levels are close to zero. ... the bottom line is that I will be looking for a young Bimac pretty soon. Any age up to 6 months is fine. If very young I can put a smaller cage in the tank. Anyone got any leads. As soon as I find one. I'm gonna bring the tank down to at least 72degrees over a few days (currently at 77 for faster cycling). Im ready to go, I would rather find a captive bred then collect locally (so Cal). Im in Northern California.

Other Octos of similar size/requirements may be of interest to me as well. O.Briarius (sp?) or O.Rubiscens (sp?) maybe.

Marine Solutions outside of St. Louis Missouri gets pygmys often, it is where I got mine, and he is well adjusted, eating well, and has a great personality.

Marine Solutions outside of St. Louis Missouri gets pygmys often, it is where I got mine, and he is well adjusted, eating well, and has a great personality.

Thanks for the tip, :welcome: to TONMO, and please let us know the details of your octo, maybe in "introduce yourself" or "journals and photos" (or both!) since I'm sure Nancy would like to put the details into the "list of our octopuses"

Alexandra,
If they have a website, please post the link. I did find a MarineSolutionsInc.com that had octopus on the front page but it was in the wrong state and the reference was to a skimmer.
Thanks,

My LFS will order me octos for around 40$ from his supplier and that saves me on shipping,, might be a better rought for some, not sure of what type he will get, they have bluering and ocotopus lol...

yea i know some lfs around here that can get me an octopus but they never know what type they will get so i haven't risked it so far..

http://www.stlmarinesolutions.com/... copy and paste.... they have gotten 4 to 6 in the past month or so, and it seems that no one else in this town is brave enough to purchase them! Also the price of mine was $40....

I just ordered a tank bred bimac from /www.marinedepotlive.com/ they have wild born ones in stock but can get tank bred ones within a few days if you order them. :grin:

I just ordered a tank bred bimac from /www.marinedepotlive.com/ they have wild born ones in stock but can get tank bred ones within a few days if you order them. :grin:


Let us know what they come up with. I noticed them to, but have not yet contacted them. I believe that they had they add that said "octopi may be missing tenticles" or something like that.

I called them today and they said they are tank raised and are about the size of a quarter.

Keep in mind tank-raised is NOT equal to tank-bred. I consider Marine Depot to be a dubious seller of octopus. First off, it is against California state law to sell a tank-raised bimac: basically, bimacs can only be collected for personal use and not for re-sale. Thus it is legal to capture a bimac and breed it (as forum members like Zyan Silver and MarineBioGuy have done), which is not what Marine Depot is doing. Second, Marine Depot isn't an experienced handler of octopus: they've said right on their website at times that you can expect your new little friend to be missing arms! At one point a forum member was told by Marine Depot that the octopuses they had in stock looked sickly.

Frankly, I doubt they even know what a bimac is or how to identify it. My guess is they have the same "Indonesia octopus," "brown octopus," or "Bali octopus" that every LFS in the country can get on their distributors' lists, and they call it a bimac because they know there's demand for them.

Caveat emptor.

Dan

Thank you for the info, I will be sure to stay away then-- I have already had enough bad luck with trying to start.

I'm getting mine in the mail tomarow, but on the phone was told that they had a breeder that they got the tank bred ones from. I will let you know what I get

I'm getting mine in the mail tomarow, but on the phone was told that they had a breeder that they got the tank bred ones from. I will let you know what I get

I wonder if marinebio_guy sold his remaining stock when he had to move...

edit: I mean sold them in bulk to a distributor or something like that.

Nope, I've not sold any to any suppliers. Although, in the future if I start raising them again that is the goal but I would let people know what places I sold to.

Nope, I've not sold any to any suppliers. Although, in the future if I start raising them again that is the goal but I would let people know what places I sold to.

Hmmm. I wonder if that means Zyan or his dad are selling to them, or if there's another breeder we don't know about... (or if, as is often the case, some web sites say "tank raised bimac" when they mean "random octopus that our supplier sent us")

My guess is the latter. I think they're full of it--but that's just my not-so-humble opinion.

My guess is the latter. I think they're full of it--but that's just my not-so-humble opinion.

Yeah, but you're really cynical... oh, wait, I guess I am, too :roll:

We have to remember that although this site has a large number of octo keepers and breeders that are out there, we don't have them all. LFSes and online stores that receive captive bred/raised ones are likely to actually have received one that was captive raised. At the very least, eggs were stolen from the wild and hatched in a tank. We got a TR bimac at work once that was marked as "Octopus: Tank Raised". It was indeed a bimac, and was a cute size (not a quarter). I would also venture to say that any octopus that is a quarter in size would not be easily caught from the wild, if you somehow spotted one at all.

While Marine Depot saying their octopuses looked sickly doesn't make me want to buy one from there, I think it's good that they told the person that they didn't look good instead of selling an ill animal that would likely die in shipping or shortly after and leave the customer disappointed. Honesty is a good trait in this hobby.

Just FYI, I got this email today. As you could imagine, I wrote them back saying I thought it was irresponsible on their part, but honesty is good.

"Dear Shawn,

Thank you for choosing Drs. Foster & Smith Live Aquaria for your live aquatic
needs. We currently have 2 assorted octopi available. They are approximately 2
1/2" - 3 ", and they are eating vitamin enriched Mysis and crab pieces.
We apologize, however we are unable to provide exact species of what we have
available as they are sold as assorted only.

If we can be of any additional assistance, please feel free to contact our Live
Aquaria Department at 1-800-334-3699 or via email at
customerservice@liveaquaria.com and we will be happy to answer any question(s)
you may have.

Sincerely,

Live Aquaria
Drs. Foster & Smith"

I'm getting mine in the mail tomarow, but on the phone was told that they had a breeder that they got the tank bred ones from. I will let you know what I get

Keep us updated after the arrival PLEASE. I'm interested in what you get.

What do you see are irresponsible?

Just FYI, I got this email today. As you could imagine, I wrote them back saying I thought it was irresponsible on their part, but honesty is good.

"Dear Shawn,

Thank you for choosing Drs. Foster & Smith Live Aquaria for your live aquatic
needs. We currently have 2 assorted octopi available. They are approximately 2
1/2" - 3 ", and they are eating vitamin enriched Mysis and crab pieces.
We apologize, however we are unable to provide exact species of what we have
available as they are sold as assorted only.

If we can be of any additional assistance, please feel free to contact our Live
Aquaria Department at 1-800-334-3699 or via email at
customerservice@liveaquaria.com and we will be happy to answer any question(s)
you may have.

Sincerely,

Live Aquaria
Drs. Foster & Smith"

Yea i called live aquaria as well, and they said the same thing, but mosthated got his from them yesterday and he was in good shape, so i decided to order one as well, it should arrive tuesday. I don't see it as irresponsible for them not to know what species they have, its more ignorance than irresponsibility, because they dont take the time to figure out what exactly it is theyre selling since they lack the knowledge to do so. Though im sure the wholesaler doesn't tell them what they're getting either...

Selling animals they know nothing about. IMO, you shouldn't sell something unless you know what it is. LFS do this all the time. I've seen stores sell things like Arawana and Moray Eels to Nano tank owners. I've seen stores sell Indian Ornamental Tarantulas to minor/inexperienced keepers because they were pretty. I've seen Wunderpus on sale many times where all you would need is a credit card. So yes, IMO if you dont even know what species of octopus you are selling I think it is irresponaible on the part of the business.

Selling animals they know nothing about. IMO, you shouldn't sell something unless you know what it is. LFS do this all the time. I've seen stores sell things like Arawana and Moray Eels to Nano tank owners. I've seen stores sell Indian Ornamental Tarantulas to minor/inexperienced keepers because they were pretty. I've seen Wunderpus on sale many times where all you would need is a credit card. So yes, IMO if you dont even know what species of octopus you are selling I think it is irresponaible on the part of the business.

I think knowing nothing about and not being able to ID are two very different things.

I think knowing nothing about and not being able to ID are two very different things.

This only shows that they care more about the profit then the hobby to me. I also live in the SF Bay Area. If you do some diving in the Monterey Area, you can see both Pac Red Octos & GPO's. Young GPO's look very close to Pac Reds, especialy at night. They are often mis-ID'd. Many of these online stores that sell "assosted Octos" post pictures of misleading photos as well. Imagine being given the reponsibility of taking care of a young GPO after ordering a large "assorted Octo". Sorry, but not being able to ID something you are selling is not being a very responsible business owner IMO. People are inherently impatient (as I can be ), and are perfect willing to take on an un-ID'd octo as their first. I just don't think it is a good idea.

This only shows that they care more about the profit then the hobby to me. I also live in the SF Bay Area. If you do some diving in the Monterey Area, you can see both Pac Red Octos & GPO's. Young GPO's look very close to Pac Reds, especialy at night. They are often mis-ID'd. Many of these online stores that sell "assosted Octos" post pictures of misleading photos as well. Imagine being given the reponsibility of taking care of a young GPO after ordering a large "assorted Octo". Sorry, but not being able to ID something you are selling is not being a very responsible business owner IMO. People are inherently impatient (as I can be ), and are perfect willing to take on an un-ID'd octo as their first. I just don't think it is a good idea.

I disagree with you slightly. Not being able to ID something and not coming clean about it is irresponsible, not being able to ID something and telling potential buyers that you don't know exactly what it is seems pretty responsible in this hobby/industry. Given that most octos are incorrectly ID'd in this industry in the first place (and there are many misidentified/nonidentifible animals in the industry), I find it refreshing and hopeful that LA is willing to say that they don't know.

I disagree with you slightly. Not being able to ID something and not coming clean about it is irresponsible, not being able to ID something and telling potential buyers that you don't know exactly what it is seems pretty responsible in this hobby/industry. Given that most octos are incorrectly ID'd in this industry in the first place (and there are many misidentified/nonidentifible animals in the industry), I find it refreshing and hopeful that LA is willing to say that they don't know.

I agree that not ID'ing at all more responible then mis-ID'ing to get a sale or to seem more informed. :smile:
As you may see as I get the ball rolling on my project that I am the kind of person that encourages healthy debate: however I DO NOT want this to mistaken for simply wanting to argue or being a forum troll. Sometimes its way to easy to mis-read someones "tone" in text. That being said, I completely respect ALL opinions.

I think Thales makes the good point that it's actually better to be honest about not knowing the species than the common practices of "making something up" or calling it Vulgaris or "small brown octopus" and pretending it's known. I'm glad most distributors at least seem to know how to ID blue rings or not.

Where the letter seems a bit frustrating to me is that the "they are sold as assorted only" suggests that they either can't or won't tell you where they were collected, and aren't willing to provide further information to ID the animal before you're stuck with it.

I'm not sure what's reasonable to expect for ID-- IDing octos is hard, since they change color, shape, and texture, and since they often change a lot of their appearance as they grow. We're lucky to have a great number of members here who have a lot of experience, but most suppliers don't have that at all. And to complicate things, one pet octopus (Ocho, I think) turned out to be "octopus sp. 11" in Norman's book, a species that had only been seen once or twice by Roy Caldwell, and is scientifically "undescribed." Apparently, it makes a good pet, but the chance that some pet store could ID that properly is pretty slim.

I agree that not ID'ing at all more responible then mis-ID'ing to get a sale or to seem more informed. :smile:
As you may see as I get the ball rolling on my project that I am the kind of person that encourages healthy debate: however I DO NOT want this to mistaken for simply wanting to argue or being a forum troll. Sometimes its way to easy to mis-read someones "tone" in text. That being said, I completely respect ALL opinions.


Great! I feel the same way. If you ever feel off put by something I write, please let me know about it, as it is almost never my intention. Talking about stuff that is traditionally difficult like ethics and responsibility can get sticky, but I think its interesting, fun and necessary.

I just put my new octopus in my tank, It looks like a baby bimac. already friendly and playing with me. mantle size about the size of a quarter. I was told it was tank bred, and have no reason to think otherwise.

I just put my new octopus in my tank, It looks like a baby bimac. already friendly and playing with me. mantle size about the size of a quarter. I was told it was tank bred, and have no reason to think otherwise.

cool. :welcome: to your new octo! Let us know how it goes...

pictures?

where, in your opinion, is the best place to order an octopus from? (preferrably bimac) I work at a LFS and dont trust our ordering. (price/health) I am in the Las Vegas area.

Honestly if you work at a LFS your supplier is probably going to be as reliable as any other source as far as getting a specific kind of octopus. UNLESS you wait patiently enough that you can purchase a captive raised Bimac from a member here. No guarantee that will be anytime soon again.

Your best bet would to be ordering from a reputable online dealer, but very unlikely you'll find a Bimac for sure. You might be able to get some sort of guarantee that way at least.

Richard from Tampa Bay saltwater just informed me he has one baby octopus vulgaris in stock that he needs to ship asap, It is a hard to come by deal. He is selling it for 80 dollars, someone should really get this..

Hey, what's up with the bimac?

Richard of TBS (Tampa Bay Saltwater) has some octopuses available, including a vulgaris (for those of you with large tanks):

I have about 6-8 gulf dwarfs in stock I got the last 2 days diving...and one nice vulgaris from the keys in stock!

Please contact him if you're interested!

Nancy

someone just posted about a bimac for sale in Marketplace:

http://www.tonmo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11568

hey im new here and many of u guys and girls mabye now that but i have a question , were can i guy like me found a bimac ? and get it to sweden if somboddy nows plz tell me

saltwaterfish.com has octopuses available for only 9.99, i have a feeling they are mercatoris though, because it says theyre from the caribbean and about an inch big..

If my limited observations are right, adult Mercs found from now until roughly the end of Feb will be full grown and either ready to brood or fully at the end of their life cycle. This is the beginning of stone claw season and seems to be the primary mating season for the Mercatoris as well. If you are looking for a pregnant female, now would be a good time to acquire one but otherwise the life span is likely to be weeks, not months.

it says on saltwaterfish that they are under an inch in size, so i dont think they would be adults..im very curious though.

yha taht saounds good to me im going to look at the site, and yes it would be great to get a female but a yuong 1 =)

jupp i can see it to on the page but they dont have a real name on it and if im not wrong its good to know whitch octo it is ?

Beware of any photos posted by saltwaterfish.com they are very unlikely to be WYSIWYG

yea i doubt the picture is the actual octopus, since theyve had that picture up for several months

I don't mean just that the photo is not of the actual octopus, I mean that it is a "stock" photo of "an octopus" and is not representative of the species for sale

hm..

I'm looking for a young bimac. :banghead: Are there any available from members here or does anyone know of any LFS with some instock?

yha same here

Has anyone ever ordered from TampaBay saltwater? Do they accurately represent what they sell? I was going to order a vulgaris from them and was worried that I would get a dwarf or a briareus instead. Any help is appreciated.

im pretty sure they know the difference, since he told me he has just one vulgaris in stock and several mercs. and he seem to know what hes talking about. Also, i saw a vulgaris on ebay for incredibly cheap, if anyone is interested.

TBS has a very good reputation. Richard, who asked me to post about the vulgaris and gulf dwarfs, dives himselves and seems to know the species. Look at the website - very interesting reading there. I would buy from them myself.
I've read a lot of good comments from people who buy their live rock packages.

How big is your tank?

Nancy

90 gal. What does anyone know about successful keeping of the vulgaris? I currently have (3) bimacs (1 adult from zyan silver, 1 small from Adam Daw, adn another young adult from marinedepot) all thriving. I also just received an unknown juvenile from a local petstore that was sold to me as a vulgaris. I am going to put some pics of him online later in hopes to correctly identify.

i think 90 gal. might be a bit small for a Vulgaris, though it should be good for while it is still small, many told me my 110 was too small for a vulgaris back when i was interested in one, so you might consider upgrading. Just wondering was the bimac from marine depot a bimaculoid?

I believe so. I ordered 2 of them, one rolled 3 hours after arrival and this one is striving!!

I just won an auction on ebay for a briareus. Hopefully he'll arrive Tuesday. Will let everyone know how he is!!!:sun:
If you want to see the auction it's:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220173965864&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=012#ebayphotohosting

I too won an auction on eBay for an alleged o. vulgaris here is the link and please, can anyone verify as to what type of octopi this may be???? The seller is islandmarinelife from the Fla Keys.

Here is a copy of he details of the ad followed by a pic.

Octopus (Vulgaris?) This amazing cephalopod is about 2 inches from head to base at the moment( not including arms) They are very intelligent creatures. This is not for beginners. Please do your homework! They are best in their own system.they are carnivorous, and can be very sensitive to water quality. They prefer a soft sand bottom to burrow in and live rock with lots of hiding places to make them feel secure. They are great escape artists, so you need a lid on your system.They will eat just about anything (fish, shrimp,pieces of clam and especially crab) They need a large tank (50+ gallons) This is the one you will receive.Isn't he cool??? These creatures are worth the extra care.
We guarantee live delivery under all circumstances. In the event of a loss, just e-mail us a digital photo of the lost item and a brief explanation of what occurred and we will replace the item or refund your money.

We ship FedEx (overnight) and the shipping charge is $25.00. If you win more than one item from our auction, or purchase more than one item from our store, we can combine shipping and the shipping cost for each extra item is just $3.00 per item. All shipping is done on Mondays and Tuesdays, please pay promptly.

I have also ordered a o. vulgaris from TampaBay saltwater tonite as well. I will post pics and details upon both arrivals.

how many tanks do you have?!?!?! so you have three bimacs and are getting two vulgarises?!?! thats atleast three 55 gal. tanks and two 100 plus tanks. Thats crazy!

(1) 90 gal; (1) 120 gal; (1) 75 gal and (1) 30 gal.

Hi, this is my first TONMO post...

I am setting up a 24g nanocube (currently cycling with LR) as a species tank for O. mercatoris. I will post in another forum on ceph-proofing the tank (especially keeping him/her away from the return pump). For this forum, can anyone give me advice on who/where to procure a specimen from, when (time of year) to do it, and if I should attempt to raise a juvenile, or from egg(s), or...?

Any advice appreciated.

Ian Field
Amateur Biologist and Computer Programmer
San Diego

Hi and welcome to TONMO.com! :welcome:

For mercatoris, contact Richard at Tampa Bay Saltwater - he had several "gulf dwarfs" last week, which are probably mercatoris. Scroll down in this forum to see the discussion.

Nancy

:welcome: to TONMO!

I'll repeat the usual suggestion that the Articles button at the top has ceph-care articles that have a lot of good info in them, too.

i want a bimac were can i faound and ship to swe i cant found somthing ...

Great, thanks Nancy and monty.

--ian

you can also find mercs on ebay for quite cheap

Just received a juvenile o.vulgaris(?) from an eBay listing. It came DOA due to the bag perfing inside the box. Looked like it would have been a nice one. Very disappointed. Hope the seller will make good on this.

im sorry, it's sad that in order to save the cost of double bagging they would risk the octo's life.