http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/27/science/27cnd-squid.html?hp&ex=1127880000&en=3fe80be6ccc23999&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Edit by tonmo: removing article contents due to copyright concerns.

Interesting............would like to see that tape!

I see we have the 60 foot length again!!!!


J

Fantastic. Does anyone know where we can find video or photos?
I found this on Yahoo News, from Reuters. I hope it's OK to repost it here...
http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~quixote/squid.jpg

wow thats really cool.

i've actually been a lurker here ever since the colossal squid pictures came up, and i love this website.

so i was wondering.

Steve, what have you heard about all of this?

Parandroidx, welcome!! Seems you've been here for quite a while, but glad you have de-lurked! :smile:

Re: copyright, I've removed the article from being reprinted here; links are OK but recreating article content would be a violation. Re: the pictures, I think we're OK there -- it seems to be common form on message communities to share photos. In any event, per our Terms of Service, each of you are responsible for what you post. :wink:
:police:

oh sorry about that. i guess you all will have to register on the nytimes website, but its free anyway so it doesn't really matter.

Well, then I certainly won't reprint the article, but here's a link to yahoo.news where I just saw this myself!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050927/sc_nm/squid_dc

Notice they once again report the beastie at 50+ feet. Oh well, can't ask for everything, I suppose...

national geographic has blown up pictures of the handout:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/photogalleries/giant_squid/index.html

several news stories coming through on our News page (http://www.tonmo.com/news.php)

national geographic has blown up pictures of the handout:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/photogalleries/giant_squid/index.html
Looks like they got Dr. Steve in slide #6!
:oshea:

Also in Sydney Morning Herald http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/giant-squid-lured-with-sex-trap/2005/09/28/1127804509424.html

What I want to know is, why have these images taken over a year to get to us??

(Ooops.... make that "almost a year".)

Did you read the part about the ripping off of the tentacles? the poor famous squid now can't feed himself/herself!!! Oh well, the price you pay for fame!

"They ground up some squid gonads"...

:shock: :goofysca:

Poor :archi:

MSNBC (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9503272/) is carrying this news on their site.

The second item in MSNBC's Related Stories box reads: "Report: Jennifer Jason Leigh marries."

I am not making this up.

Clem

Clem, MSNBC seems to have developed itself a killer metaphor engine. I find the didgeridoo music story much harder to connect. :hmm:

Interesting............would like to see that tape!

I see we have the 60 foot length again!!!!


J


I would like to see that tape too! I And the 60 foot length sure is annoying...now everyone else thinks I'm a nut in school becuase of my ranting on the "Not 60 foot!"

I've long-since given up; journalists are generally disinterested in facts - they cannot be bothered with homework. Not all are superficial, but you've got to weed the good from the bad, and deal only with them; unfortunately the bad will continue to proliferate crap.

but where is the GOOD? in all this crap? I don't really see any reporter who actually does their homework.

"They ground up some squid gonads"...

:shock: :goofysca:

Poor :archi:

I'm guessing hes tryin to scream to those who did it to him, "If YOU were a guy who just had his pecker ripped of, would YOU wanna live? Press the DIE button, ya friggin moron!"....:wink:

:shock: I want to see that tape....:bugout:

That's pretty badass, except are they sure its an Architeuthis?

This is true....I think they should release more photos so we can be sure it it an Architeuthis....or even the video foootage.

Shame it had to lose a tenticle on a lure. Infact shame they used a lure, I've seen those things used on Dosidicus and it's nasty.:mad:

That's pretty badass, except are they sure its an Architeuthis?

No doubt about this John; it's the real deal. They didn't even need to do the DNA to know (I found it quite surprising that they did this), because Ku (Dr Tsunemi Kubodera) is one of the best there is. He is also one of the nicest of people you will ever meet, and the most deserving to have achieved what nobody else has managed to do.

I think that this is the best news ever for natural history, and hopefully it will result in the end of BS programming standards, this so-called reality TV, and a return to proper expedition-style documentaries. It can only get better!

There is no video footage to release; these are, as far as I know (and I would love to be wrong) series of stills. I would SO LOVE TO BE WRONG!!!!

What surprises me more than anything is that they did not publish in Nature! This is so deserving of publication therein.

I think that this is the best news ever for natural history, and hopefully it will result in the end of BS programming standards, this so-called reality TV, and a return to proper expedition-style documentaries. It can only get better!

I hope you're right, now maybe tv companies will want to invest in an expedition, especially if they know that architeuthis is an aggressive predator. Mind you, I think the lurid will still triumph. This is the Daily Mail (uk) this morning (this is the print version, the online one is much more staid):

"Attack of a Giant Squid: Scientists film sea monster - and find it really DOES try to squeeze its prey to death"

they then go on to say:

"So tales of hapless mariners being gripped by giant tentacles and dragged to their deaths in a horrible embrace have reamined the stuff of legend. Thanks to work by a Japanese team, however, we now know that such a horrific encounter could actually happen."

They also have a huge picture of the Giant Squid from 20'000 leagues Under the Sea attacking my namesake's sub (from the disney film) and in the corner four very small images from the sequence.

They also quote Dr Kubodera as saying "The monster's mouth, a horned beak like a parrot's, opened and shut vertically. What a freak of nature, a bird's beak on a mollusc!" - NOTE: EDITING THIS, but leaving in my original mistake: That's actually a quote from Jules Verne in 20'000 leagues NOT Dr Kubodera.

Great follow-up *gasp* moment to the 2002 Kyoto Prefecture specimen photographs posted a while back!

Oops, sorry, just delurked, hello everybody 8o)

Just a query for the better informed. Would it be possible that the specimen Kubodera poses with on his website is *in fact* the aforementioned Kyoto "photographed while dying ensnared" squid? The eye looks rather familiar....

http://research.kahaku.go.jp/department/zoology/zoology3/kubodera/

Appreciated...

OB

As somebody in Hollywood, which is where so much "real" news comes from, please, please, whatever you do - never overestimate the press. Whatever it is, however important. Trust me. It'll all be twice as big before the media touches it. Ratings are the only thing of any value.

This is amazing! I feel that the Holy Grail has finally been found after 1800 years! Live giant squid pics! Wow! I can die now.

Back to my tangent, whatever gets said, keep listening to SOS and the other Archituethis experts. Our friends in the know are the only folks to trust in the know. If it didn't come from a teuthologist, it's CRAP!! There's already a bunch of junk floating around regarding this footage, as should be expected.

Journalist = BAD

Scientist = GOOD

What about Scientific Journalists?

Have you seen the Active Users this morning (in the UK it's morning)? seems like everyone's after Giant Squid information.

Hello everyone. :welcome:

don't know how may times I've sent this link to people this morning

http://www.tonmo.com/science/public/giantsquidfacts.php

Even my boss has sent me an email about the amount of squidnews:

"Fascinating articles in this morning's Telegraph and Times about your favourite subject which I am sure you have picked up. 60ft long by gad! and with two attacking tentacles each 40ft long. It seems that Bishop of Bergen got it right."

(don't worry, I've put him right)

I've emailed the BBC about their awful and misleading size comparison chart, if they're gonna do a London Bus chart, leave it to the experts, like Phil!

Kubodera and Mori's Proceedings of the Royal Society Press Release is now available on line. It requires a .pdf reader to open it.

First-ever observations of a live giant squid in the wild. (http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/proc_bio_content/pdf/RSPB20053158.pdf)

MSNBC (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9503272/) is carrying this news on their site.

The second item in MSNBC's Related Stories box reads: "Report: Jennifer Jason Leigh marries."

I am not making this up.

Clem
:lol: There's a connection there somewhere.

There is no video footage to release; these are, as far as I know (and I would love to be wrong) series of stills. I would SO LOVE TO BE WRONG!!!!



Steve,

From the press release it appears that many, many more photos were taken. In the 'Results' section Kubodera and Mori record that following the initial attack on the bait:

More than 550 digital images were taken over the subsequent four hours which record the squid's repeated attempts to detach from the jig.

The released six images are just the tip of the iceberg; 544 to go.

Video and audio report from the BBC here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/default.stm

Go to 'News and Audio' on the right hand side of the page. It contains a brief interview with Dr Kubodera. A classic question posed to the doctor, after picking up the tentacle 'Were you not concerned the tentacle might wrap itself around you and squeeze you." That's journalism for you.

The video report is more interesting as it briefly shows many images that we have not seen yet. I hope that eventually the whole sequence will be put online.

If I look at the impressive photograph on the top left corner ("initial attack on jig"), released with Kubodera's publication, it brings to mind an older photograph that methinks was up for discussion on this same forum, a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.

http://homepage1.nifty.com/ozok/ika-story2.htm

It's the two shots of large red oceanic squid, the top pic showing one attacking what appears to be a hooked fellow cephalopod, apparently ripped apart... (or alternatively just some rope and a bucket:))

It always struck me that the mantle of that particular beast was slightly too narrow for Architeuthis (or a Humboldt, for that matter), and the tentacles not *quite* right, too rounded,...,any thoughts? Is it just my prejudiced "sagged mantles of beached squid giving overly bloated appearance" imprinting?

Hello ob,

:welcome:

When Phil first turned up those two shots of large oceanic squid at the surface, I also doubted that the one you referenced showed Architeuthis, because it just didn't look right, somehow. But Architeuthis it was, and the new images taken by Kubodera and Mori immediately recalled that shot, in particular the way the arms are spread out with the tips oriented toward the animal's tail. (In the BBC online article, reference is made to "Japanese fishermen [who] have taken snaps of an adult at the surface." It's unclear if this refers to the shots you linked to, or to the older Kyoto specimen.)

It's good to remind folks that battered squid corpses can be grossly misleading about form. When I first saw the pics taken of the living GS near Kyoto, I couldn't square it with the deflated white blobs we're used to seeing.

Cheers,
Clem

Hi Ob

To add to what Clem says, Dr Kubodera and the team took a sample of mtDNA COI from the tentacle which identified the squid as Architeuthis.

That BBC report is staggering in it's presentation. "it could rip a man apart" they also refer to it as "the newly discovered squid".

The reporter is at the London Aquarium in the report.

How did they have a pic of that? Was the squid on the surfacing attacking a bait? And why is it on the surface in the first place?:confused:

I wonder if they tasted it...they had a sample. Maybe fresh squid taste better than the dead or dying ones...just a thought.

But this news has made my day. :sun:

I would still doubt whether it would taste better, although it might have a better texture....:hmm:

Hey cool! The BBC report initially had a really misleading diagram for size comparison using the London Bus measurment so beloved of us giant-cephfans. They had the GS at 18m, but the outline had the tentacles folded back, so to scale the squid would have been at least 26m with the tentacles unfurled, they also had a Colossal Squid underneath, but had just enlarged and flipped the archi outline. I sent them an email pointing out the size problem and the fact that Messie looks very different to Archi (not least because of the arm to tentacle length differences) along with a link to the Giant and Colossal Squid Fact Sheet from TONMO. They've updated the comparison chart with the outlines from the TONMO sheet.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4288772.stm

What do you think? Is that more like it? It's the first time I've turned teuthoevangelist so I hope I did right.

Shirking my larval status with glee: does anyone yet know if Ku got video? Is Steve's drea a reality? If not, could Ku render one from the stills? I've changed my pants three times a day since this footage was found.....

YESSS!

I have dreamed of seeing a live giant squid since I first watched 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, about eleven years ago. Now, my life is pointed at further observations of archie behavior.

In the second picture, of the giant squid with tentacles spread, it just me or does the squid only have 7 tentacles? 6 are easily visible and there is another over the mouth area... Am I just blind or?

CapnNemo,

Well done and good work! It's excellent to note that the BBC took your comments onboard. Someone out there in Auntie appears to be genuinely interested in accuracy for once. Top stuff, and may I be the first to congratulate you on the word 'teuthoevangelist'. I hope the Oxford English Dictionary recognise it immediately.

Jillykim,

There is no video fotage I'm afraid. The images were obtained from a remote camera snapping a single shot every 30 seconds for 4-5 hours. But there are 550 images in total, so lets hope we get access to all of them one day soon.

this was all over the norwegian news too, and i saw a funny quote wich i wonder where they got from:
quick translation
"new zealands leading squit scientist Steve O'Shea, is very excited about the photos but dosnt belive the photos will give much information about the squid.
Kyoichi Mori dosnt agree
-contrarary to the the thoeory that the squid is quite inactive, the "film" of the squid shows that it actively uses its tentacles to go for the prey"

iam assuming this is a misquote from o'shea or something they just made up couse i cant see him saying that in the bbc report or anywhere else.

also they are doing an "ask the experts"(peter boyle+some norwegian "expert") in the online norwegian newspaper dagbladet.no tomorrow and i guess the questions to peter boyle will be in english at least, might be worth checking out, although we got our own expert here :) :oshea:
should come up here tomorrow: http://www.dagbladet.no/kunnskap/2005/09/28/444745.html

No, it is not a misquote, but it is taken out of context and presented in such a way that it appears as if I am raining on their parade - something I most certainly am not doing. Once these releases are syndicated there's no telling what turns up where. A shocking one turned up in New Zealand this morning that really made my blood boil - I'd not even spoken to anyone, and no quotes were given, but a non-named reporter had a go at me (if I find out who wrote it an unpleasant letter will result).

I am not sure if these photos tell us anything about the natural behaviour of this animal; it is extremely unlikely that they do. You get nice fluid movement between frames, 30 seconds apart, when viewed in quick succession .... but in real time I think that's probably quite sluggish movement.

There may be something in the NY Times that I wrote in the next day or so, but then again, they might not print it.

which report made your blood boil? Does it have a link or something?

hi everyone...long time haven't posted,,just busy...here it is

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=716c19b3-ef4e-4eb2-8304-da451b830613&t=m13&f=06/64&p=News_NBC%20News

The squid....is it Archie?

And here's a link with Steve O' saying a few things about 'sex-crazed' squid.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3426442a11,00.html

...More recently, Dr O'Shea began trying to lure giant squid into camera range by squirting squid pheromones, sexual scents, into the ocean off the South Island.

"These things come into New Zealand waters to breed," Dr O'Shea said of the squid.

"They're sex-crazed."


:sink: -

Article will be in "Proceedings of the Royal Society B : Biological Sciences" is is listed currently as upcoming.

It's also not available free - darn.

KRin

Krin,

It is free. Please click below.

http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/proc_bio_content/pdf/RSPB20053158.pdf

And here's a link with Steve O' saying a few things about 'sex-crazed' squid.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3426442a11,00.html

:sink: -

The pinhead who wrote that article also wrote:

"The filming has beaten New Zealand squid expert Steve O'Shea, of Auckland, who mounted several fruitless expeditions to film giant squid in the wild."

Fruitless? That knocked the wind out of me! Never mind. I call them pinhead because I've got a little doll here, reserved for just such a purpose. Ouch!

You do know that you push the pins into the dolls, not into yourself, do you?

The pinhead who wrote that article also wrote:

"The filming has beaten New Zealand squid expert Steve O'Shea, of Auckland, who mounted several fruitless expeditions to film giant squid in the wild."

Fruitless? That knocked the wind out of me! Never mind. I call them pinhead because I've got a little doll here, reserved for just such a purpose. Ouch!

Well, you can rest assured that all of us here find your research quite fruity... er, I mean fruitful! fruitful! Ok, really just cool... and anyway, you'll certainly have the last laugh when your armies of architeuthis you've raised from pups are sent to dismantle the newspaper office!

Well, you'll certainly have the last laugh when your armies of architeuthis you've raised from pups are sent to dismantle the newspaper office!
Armies???? Ok , squid marines. Personally I like armadas better. Led by captain :twisted:, no doubt.

Armies???? Ok , squid marines. Personally I like armadas better. Led by captain :twisted:, no doubt.

Aye aye! :twisted:

Now that we can find one, it's only a matter of time before one is caught alive. Who ever does that will be the famous one. Steve? Ring ring. Pick up the phone!

Inside joke, I read that New Yorker story about his expedition with one of their reporters. That was the one where Steve is approached by the local fisherman who named his cat "Archie" after he saw the discovery "Chasing giants" docu.

The elusive Archie...the cat. Wow, and I thought that the fishermen actually caught Archi.

Krin,

It is free. Please click below.

http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/proc_bio_content/pdf/RSPB20053158.pdf

When I checked on Monday at the journal site I got "got to pay" advice when I clicked on the link. Maybe it just didn't like me! I do this looking for journal articles stuff for a living so thats deflated me a little in thinking I was good at my job!

KRin

You do know that you push the pins into the dolls, not into yourself, do you?


LOL Chrono :lol: