Hey, you callin' cryptozoology a psuedoscience???? :lol:

Yeah, Big Man, Bernard Heuvelmans might be a lurker on this very site! :grin:

Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Oh...bother.

Joined the crypts (and boy, did I love saying that for a while) in Tucson last year for a meeting. What a bunch of odd ducks, but fun !

I'm a crypto-cryptozoologist myself, sehkrit handshake and all.... Ah, for my own coelacanth equivalent to wash up on the Dutch shores...

Yeah, Big Man, Bernard Heuvelmans might be a lurker on this very site! :grin:
I doubt it, he passed on a few years back.

I doubt it, he passed on a few years back.

Or so he made you believe... All part of the great crypto-lurker conspiracy, I'm sure :wink:

Another article on that case, but written before the result was given.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/06/DESIGN.TMP

I particularly liked this......... :grin:
When, on the final day of the trial, one lawyer pointed out that, "this is the 40th day of the trial, and tonight will be the 40th night,"

Judge Jones replied:

"That's an interesting coincidence. But it was not by design."

And was it raining?

They just talked about the results from a survey on the news here in NZ,

When asked what was most important in peoples lives - friends family and leisure was a clear winner (70%), followed by politics (20%), and then, comming in last place - religion (10%).

I'm still quite surprised that many people are that into politics - or religion for that matter :grin:

here in the states you are expected to put work first. Never much cared for that myself - had my benefit package "improved" too many times by companies. It always seemed the improved version took away something.

Well, on top of our attitude about work in the U.S. - where we have less paid-vacation time than any other industrialized country - how about the Japanese attitude regarding work? There they have mandatory vacation time, but Japanese workers still tend to come into work on that time. Not because their companies coerce them, but because they JUST CAN'T STAY AWAY (boy I wish I could figure out how to do italics on Tonmo - hate making it look like I'm flaming people)!

When I lived in West Germany as a rather disturbed teenager, I learned the expression "Others work to live. Germans live to work". I guess this makes the Japan-German part of the Axis make a little more sense, but how the heck do the Italians possibly fit into that equation?:wink: Not that I hold that against them. Out of every place I've ever visited in the World, I don't think I've ever felt more automatically at-home with a culture. Ever. True sense of priorities.

Back on the thread, Bravo to the judge in this ruling! Makes it even sweeter that he's a Bush-appointed conservative church-going Christian. It'll be harder for ID proponents to argue this one.

just found this bit of craziness
http://www.earnedmedia.org/cpr1220.htm

Of course there are no details and their theory is presented in a book and not a scientic publication. get ready for SON of ID coming soon to a fundamentalist school board near you. :bugout:

"And forgive them their trespasses, as we may be forgiven for ignoring their trespasses against formal logic"

Sigh...

went to the reasons to believe site and from what I could tell, the major flaw they found in id before the trial was that ID didn't specify the Christian god as the designer.

http://www.reasons.org/resources/fff/2002issue10/index.shtml#more_than_id

Well, we all KNOW that great Cthulhu spawned all life. And death. And little rubbery bits. And lemmings. And ourang-utans. And breakfast cereals. And...

and Deep ones and people with cephy bits and the ilithids in dnd etc.

Well, we all KNOW that great Cthulhu spawned all life. And death. And little rubbery bits. And lemmings. And ourang-utans. And breakfast cereals. And...

Even King Kong (http://www.kingkong.com/)?

surely the great kong was created by the old ones

surely the great kong was created by the old ones

The ape creatures, in fact, most of the mamals, were created entirely by accident, and created much amusement for the Old Ones, mainly through torture and abuse. We weren't intended according to the crinoid race, but proved entertaining. Cthulhu, on the other tentacle, seems to use us to bring him back. Kong would've been one of their accidents.

they just refuse to believe that in r'lyeh dead cthulhu lies dreaming. We should just set the Hounds of Tindalos on them.


(sitting in my round room)

Tekelili !

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/cthulhu77/model/tindalosweb.jpg

Does anyone know how well the artificial creation of life is going? I remember seeing something about it - possibly taking the important DNA out of ribosomes and copying it to build one from scratch or something.


At Reasons To Believe, our team of scientists has developed a theory for creation that embraces the latest scientific advances. It is fully testable, falsifiable, and successfully predicts the current discoveries in origin of life research."
I am interested by this - for once a serious(sounding) proposal. However, I note the lack of said theory - what is the theory? Honestly!!!, who would write an article about a brand new theory that is going to revolutionize science and religion - and then forget to say what it is.

It would be nice to read a creationism article with real references,
, but somehow I dont think I'll be holding my breath :lol:

The new book, Who Was Adam, is the silver bullet that puts the evolutionary model to death. - is it just me, or does this make evolution sound like a vampire?

Hey Erich - to make the italics work, highlight the words you want with the mouse and then click the I button, it'll do it for you.

Or you could just write the [I ] what you want in italics here [/I ] the old fashion way like this (without the spaces obviously)

8-)

You see, when it comes to computer usage, I am mongoloid multiplied by legion. Before Tonmo.com, I had never been in a chatroom, had never been a regular on a website, had never regularly posted anything, certainly had never done the groundwork for a website-based convention. My wife? Rebecca likes to write HTML for fun. Slowly I'm catching up. But I still suck.

Feelers, from what I can tell the theory is five or six years old as the guy who made the silver bullet quote is no longer with us.
Evolution as werewolf..... that would explain Darwin's beard.

Or is it dead?

http://les.cevennes.free.fr/en/cevennes-gevaudan.htm

You see, when it comes to computer usage, I am mongoloid multiplied by legion. Before Tonmo.com, I had never been in a chatroom, had never been a regular on a website, had never regularly posted anything, certainly had never done the groundwork for a website-based convention. My wife? Rebecca likes to write HTML for fun. Slowly I'm catching up. But I still suck.


It's genetic.

Or is it dead?



I liked the movie about the beast (Brotherhood of the Wolf).


I guess they will never stop until they get some form of creationism into the textbooks. :mad:

Hey, you callin' cryptozoology a psuedoscience???? :lol:
http://www.tonmo.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=640&stc=1

WhiteKiboko did a great job on this one

Dinosaurs and the Bible (http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml)

Well, that's that mystery cleared up.

OMG, I actually read some of this, stark-raving-mad... Especially the bit about fire breathing dinosaurs... perfection...

that's why t-rexes had such small arms. They breathed fire. makes sense. :shock:

Thats why they found fossils of really really big long cigars then?

Now if they'd just explain the whole Joshua stopping the sun thing.

Nobody has ever proven that the Bible contains any inaccurately recorded information. ... The Bible and Christianity have been proven to be true.

Yeah? Then how does this work? (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gen_ml.html)

Also, nobody has ever proven that god has not assumed corporeal form as a tiny singing pink teapot in polar orbit around Neptune. Therefore, it must be true (as must all conjectures; these guys would've ruled at math in college).

that's why t-rexes had such small arms. They breathed fire. makes sense. :shock:
Now, Greg,

As the illustration below proves, tyrannosuars had small arms sized to grip and hold the Bible.

http://www.tonmo.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1925&stc=1&d=1137028363

This is the most awesome drawing I have ever seen.

:notworth: :notworth:

They're baaackkkk.


http://politicalphysics.com/node/1341



these guys are harder to kill than dracula

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyid=2006-01-21T005641Z_01_N20169477_RTRUKOC_0_US-LEISURE-TV-SCIENCE.xml

I swear these sobs would come back if you staked them, cut off their heads and buried them at a crossroads. :mad:

This is actually dated from yesterday, but I thought it ought to be added:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/19/science/sciencespecial2/19evolution.html

it's about time. That serves to remind us that even though it seems the fundamentalists are everywhere there are moderates still out there.

Nice quote to end the article with:

"Lawrence M. Krauss, a professor of physics and astronomy at Case Western Reserve University, said Dr. Facchini's article was important because it made the case that people did not have to abandon religious faith in order to accept the theory of evolution.

"Science does not make that requirement," he said."

If only that were true the other way around :wink:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/science/04climate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

An example of the fact that Evangelical Christianity doesn't have to be tied to the sort of thing people have been frustrated by here:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyid=2006-02-08T202303Z_01_N08340807_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENVIRONMENT-EVANGELICALS.xml

the article is not too specific on what the religious basis for this position is... I personally think that since stewardship of the earth is somewhat involved in some readings of the Bible, it makes sense, as a counterpoint to the "God gave us the resources of the Earth to use up" and "since the day of judgement is at hand, any planning about the environmental impact over more than a few years is offensive to my religion" attitudes I've occasionally heard.

I wonder what these folks think about intelligent design...

That is almost too good to be true. Rationality from religious extremists is a welcome change.

A local televangelist has stated that global warming is a satanic plot to shake the faith of christians. Ditto ozone depletion (this sermon came complete with charts and an
"explanation" of the way ozone stops UV that has to be seen to be believed).

Of course he also once said Jesus was an alien, and judging by the bloodshot eyes and occasionally slurred voice Bro Dumas don't mind a shot or two before he goes on the air.

More backlash against the idea that evolutionary theory is anti-Christian:

http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/02/12/1959244.shtml

more good news

http://livescience.com/othernews/060215_ap_ohio_evo.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-na-creation11feb11,0,1983600.story

""We're going to arm you with Christian Patriot missiles," Ham, 54, recently told the 1,200 adults gathered at Calvary Temple here in northern New Jersey. It was a Friday night, the kickoff of a heavily advertised weekend conference sponsored by Ham's ministry, Answers in Genesis."


Wow. Just think, if they could get Christian Tomahawk Missiles, they could have MIRV's filled with scripture! Or "christianlets", or something. Baptists?

Well Greg, if any group wishes to arm themselves in such a manner, these scary people (http://www.combat4christ.com/) will probably be first in the queue.

"Weapons Course: This course challenges the Christian Soldier to engage and eliminate his greatest enemies."


:shock: Good thing I restocked on ammuntion last month !

Just wait until they come a-knocking, Greg.

The scariest pictures there were a couple of kids, maybe 10 years old, learning how to fire handguns in the name of Christ.

There are fundamentalists everywhere; it really makes one worry about the future security of the world...(etc)

Just wait until they come a-knocking, Greg.

The scariest pictures there were a couple of kids, maybe 10 years old, learning how to fire handguns in the name of Christ.

There are fundamentalists everywhere; it really makes one worry about the future security of the world...(etc)

I believe the site is a parody. A poorly done parody, but a parody nonetheless. A lot of little flags jumped out, ie, their schedule starts with you arriving "alive" on Friday for the weekend course. Sounds to me like some jokesters put up their pictures of boy scout camp.

Dan

I believe the site is a parody. A poorly done parody, but a parody nonetheless. A lot of little flags jumped out, ie, their schedule starts with you arriving "alive" on Friday for the weekend course. Sounds to me like some jokesters put up their pictures of boy scout camp.

Dan

at this point, sometimes I wonder if large portions of what I see on the news could be parody, actually... frequently, it's a much more comforting thought than the alternative.

maybe it is a parody but the address is real and it dosen't seen quite over the top enough to be a joke.

That's it. I think this pretty much obliges us to start a C.O.M.B.A.T.4:cthulhu: camp. We'll have a way better non-euclidean climbing wall, of course, but that band (http://www.combat4christ.com/Gallery/DSCN1630.JPG) looks pretty frickin' hard to beat (that guy on bass is dreamy).

non euidiean no room has an angle

Yeah, that guy on lead guitar ROCKS !!! Didn't they have the smash hit "Gonna bust a cap in Satan's face" ?

Yeah, that guy on lead guitar ROCKS !!! Didn't they have the smash hit "Gonna bust a cap in Satan's face" ?
Greg,

You're thinking of the defunct power trio Cheney and the Neoconettes.

I think (hope) that Combat4Christ is a gag. Most of the participants seem to favor sitting down and BBQ is of central importance, to judge from the photo gallery. Also: the photographer seems drawn to the fat folks.

On the other hand, Cleveland, TN is home to the Heart2Heart ministry, so perhaps they really are a group of offense-minded Christians who take their spelling cues from Prince songs.

I h8 u Satan,
Clem

I don't think it is a spoof at all...having run into some weird militant people over the years, I can totally buy it. Yeah, I hope that it is a fake too, but...
How about:

"Were Gonna BBQ Satan"
"Satan's n my Hood"
"Muslim Stomp Party Remix"

and of course:

"O I 8 2 2 " (subtitled "dang thez ribs r gud" )

Perhaps this silliness is starting to work itself out...
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyid=2006-02-20T223728Z_01_N19206908_RTRUKOC_0_US-SCIENCE-EVOLUTION.xml

"I was lost, but now I'm found"

Definitive proof, at last!!!!

I'm sorry it's a combination of Dutch and German, but just click on the play icon (http://www.flabber.nl/archief/015277.php) in the bottom frame; all will be revealed!

All hail FSM!

Don't forget the Invisible Pink unicorn blessed be her holy hooves

I'm sure that combat for christ thing is real - in the photo gallery you can see the green shirts they are all wearing say "combat ministry".
They are all wearing name tags too - "Hi my name is Bob, and I'd like to teach your young children how to fire handguns."

I'd put money on it being real, too much effort to make t-shirts and get everyone together, and can you imagine someone living in the bible belt rounding up their freinds and family to come make a wierd joke about fanatical christendom, given their surroundings.

Perhaps someone from Tonmo can go undercover, give us the inside exclusive? Any takers?

Oh, crap (http://www.banneroftruth.org/pages/articles/article_detail.php?1031):

Then another is the giant squid, whose eyes are the size of footballs and who trailing tentacles can be sixty feet in length. It weighs nearly a ton and it's the earth's largest invertebrate, and yet no person has ever seen a giant squid alive. Zoologists have devoted careers trying to glimpse a living giant squid and have always failed. We know about these squid from their being washed ashore dead - especially on the South Island of New Zealand. God made them on the fifth day, the "great creatures of the sea;" isn't it fascinating how God himself singles them out as though creating in every person our fascination with them?
Best I can tell, the reasoning goes something like this:

Great are the giant squids.
Giant squids are creatures.
"Great creatures" means giant squids.

On the bright side, an exchange from this week's episode of "The Sopranos:"

Christopher: What's he saying? There were Dinosaurs back with Adam and Eve?

Tony: I guess.

Christopher: No way. T-Rex in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve would be running all the time-scared ****less, but the Bible says it was paradise.

He may be a mobster, but he makes a good point.

Clem

Any double deckers with that clipping, Adam? :grin:

Thanks a lot, Clem. Now my monitor smells like horse feces and I'm almost puking-dizzy from shaking my head.

:evil:

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=0a8fac12-185a-445f-a463-5d127eaa40f2&k=11346

first, it was those draft dodgers, now :canada: is having to take action to dissuade fleeing American Evolutionaries...

Perhaps he should have asked for funding to carry out a study to determine how significantly prayer can improve performance on a general scientific literacy test.

Perhaps he should have asked for funding to carry out a study to determine how significantly prayer can improve performance on a general scientific literacy test.

is this an obtuse reference to the study showing prayer hurts heart patients (http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=512467)?

Busted.

Well, I'm sure kids would enjoy Dinosaur Adventure Land (http://www.wehaitians.com/darwin%20free%20fun%20for%20creationists .html).

I checked on their website. April 1st (April Fools Day) is officially 'Darwin Day'. No comment necessary.

Personally, I'd rather go to Stalin World. (http://www.balticsww.com/stalin_world.htm)

Oh my god....is this some kind of idiotic sick joke?

I hope so. How do any of the activities at that park prove creationism, or disprove evolution, or have anything to do with religion?!? Do people want their kids to learn how to dodge bowling balls? And such a conveinient location... Behind a highway...

Among the products the park gift shop peddles are T-shirts with a small fish labeled "Darwin" getting gobbled by a bigger fish labeled "Truth."

And a school of frustrated, insignificant little fish labeled "Dinosaur Adventure Land" devouring "Truth". :mad:

Got to love the study showing that prayer is bad for heart patients. Guess the creation fish eaten by a bigger darwin fish t shirts should get equal time.
But where are the ceph overlords?

:party: :cheers:

A great discovery and a blow against creationism: Fossil shows how Fish Crept onto Land (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12168265/)

A great discovery and a blow against creationism: Fossil shows how Fish Crept onto Land (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12168265/)
Hello jc45,

Didn't you hear? That "fossil" was sculpted by Satan and placed in Man's path to lead him astray.:wink:

To Creationists, every win is a war and every loss a battle. The latest Archaeopteryx-big find won't really change the dynamic. If the Flying Spaghetti Monster showed up tomorrow and claimed credit for everything, a few billion people would assume that the FSM answered to a all-powerful man with a white beard who is not Sean Connery.

I'll take it for what it is: a great moment in science, and leave it at that. I hope you're proved right about its possible effects.

Cheers,
Adam

Well said JC45, and 'Zardoz' to you Clem.

Isn't it odd that creationists never seem to try to pick holes in ammonite, trilobite or brachiopod lineages; those sequences are so well recorded that in some locations they are actually used as index fossils to date strata. It's a pity that the terrestrial vertebrate records are much less complete, this gives the creationists more room to play in.

The more fossils that are found, the more gaps are plugged and the narrower they have to look for areas to support their arguments. Even as we read this I expect that Tiktaalik is being hotly reviewed by alarmed creationist groups so that they can now attempt to pick holes in the length of the digits of the pectoral fins, or some such.

If you weren't particulalry happy with your lunch, and so don't mind losing it, you could check out what they have to say over at Answers in Genesis (http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0406fishin.asp).

:grad:

:yuck: Damn! I just ate supper.

Just how much more information do we need to prove them wrong?

Just how much more information do we need to prove them wrong?


There will never be enough proof for them. Anyone who believes in evolution is either missguided or a tool of satan.

Didn't you hear? That "fossil" was sculpted by Satan and placed in Man's path to lead him astray.

Crap. I knew it. :twisted:

Answers in Genesis (http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0406fishin.asp)

I have a few comments about that article...

First of all, it's really unscholarly of them to attack the fact that scientists are using the word "may" and such when they themselves are using it just as much as the evolutionists, and it's funny that half the article is concerned with this... it makes you think they're being defensive or something...:grin: Also, they've diminished the impact of the find by calling it a "lobe finned fish". It isn't, the ceolacanth is. The tiktaalik has evidence of actual limb development, like an elbow and a primitive wrist. And they want a creationist to examine it. I don't even see the point, they're just going to say it's "just another fish".

Well said JC45, and 'Zardoz' to you Clem.

Please, call me Joey. :smile:

oddly enough, peer guardian blocks AIG as a site containing spyware.

This has nothing to do with cephs, but it definitely involves fossils.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/04/13/MNGMII8GLK1.DTL