Has anyone tried to cross breed cuttles? if no one has id like to be the first to try... unless anyone knows for sure it wont work. im friends with a genetic scientist he can help me. i was thinking a bandesis and a common cuttlefish. if i pushed the limits on both of their livable temps could i get them both into he same tank?
:) :shock:

LOL-look at the results! I think the S. pharaonis would probably adopt the bandensis! :P (or eat em)

Not likely at all, the most possible candidates would be offic and the pharoah. As for the bandensis- officinalis/pharoah part would you like to mate with sumthing close to 10 times your size (vice versa) :shock:

It would be fun to see but we all know the outcome of this...

i was thinking more along the lines of artificial insemination because youre right i woldnt like to mate with something 10 times my size. my friend is a genetic scientist and he has done it before. :heee: :heee:

now all i need to do is get a s. pharaonis or s. bandesis if you know any good breeders in the US please tell me

do rabies not give you a fear of water?
:mrgreen:

Is it really ethically sound to cross breed species?

i bet it isnt but if it makes an evil species that crawls out of the tank and kills me ill blame you all for saying its okay
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okay i think its now out of my system... or is it

Hope so...at five am , that hurts my eyes.
Crossbreeding is something I have seen happen in every other pet industry, with some interesting results...seems odd to play creator though...maybe I have a frankestein complex???
greg

:confused: Don't you already have cross breeding in the wild in Hong Kong, I've seen some sort of cross breeding hybrid that doesn't look like anything i've seen in the scientific research notes.

Np, not just a colour change, I mean real change, looks like a common Hk one with a pharoah. Dunno, only guessing... :belemnit: what's a belemnit? :

I would still really like to see what a cross cuttle would look like... btw, have all the polls been "undone" the results are still there but we get to vote a second time.

Belemnites are long extinct ancestors of modern day squids, if you wanna learn more, go to the navigator bar above^ and click on "Fossils", when you scroll down next to the belemnite emoticon, there is an article on them.

Thanks for the info, so....

Now I remember! I have 2 great 'fossil' stones from Nepal, they are unopened stones that sometimes contain fossils. When I boiled it, the stones cracked and contained 2 fossils, any reserach on what Nepal would look in in Prehistoric times?

Why would you want to?

If I recall correctly most cross breeds (unless they are VERY closely related genetically-like breeds of dogs) are infertile, like Tigons, Ligers and of course the Mule.

J

Arrrrr, it be the dreaded double post. :arr:

Arrrrr, it be the dreaded double post. :arr:



Sorry about that folks my fingers got ahead of my brain there (not hard to do!!!!) :oops:

I amazed noone noticed the freudian slip there......"crass breeding" instead of "cross breeding" :oops:

J

if anyone has a s. pharohnis or s. bandensis please contact me i need a genetic sample to put in the machine at hopkins marine lab

My contacts have told me that they have caught some 10 cuttles the last night, all the same! I could see it in the headlines "Mad Kid Clones Cuttle, Public In Panic" or " Ceph War II: Attack of the Clones"

Anyone playing Runescape?

if you succesfully do cross breed you may never be able to do it again because the young are infertile and the donors must be very closley realated

I am working on crossbreeding cuttlefish with cows.

Just think of the vast undersea herds of livestock grazing away...

In 1985 at Sea Life Park in Hawaii, a female Atlantic Bottlenose dolphin mated with a false killer whale and gave birth to a female "wholpin". The wholpin mated with a male Atlantic Bottlenose dolphin and has given birth to three calves. One lived a few days, one nine years and the latest was born Dec. 2004. I always thought that hybrids would be sterile, but I guess not... so maybe cross-breeding cuttles would work.

There is a huge size difference between a false killer whale (14 ft. 2000pounds) and a bottlenose dolphin (6 ft. 400 pounds).

Suggests that they're genetically similar. More so than say a horse and donkey as mules are sterile. The species must have diverged relatively reccently!

J

Mules are infertile because of their chromosome compliment, I would imagine that if one of the parents (horse/ donkey) had an extra chromosome - maybe downs syndrome in horses? the offspring would be fertile.

The problem comes from the fact that there is one extra chromosome in the mule that doesnt have a "partner".
The sexual organs all work in mules, and there have actually been a number of mules that have given birth- (perhaps due to natural defects like downs sydrome?)

An isteresting thing when crossing species is hybrid vigor - a mix of two parants with very different genetic backgrounds actually increases the animals fitness(in the darwinian sense).
This is why mules are so strong.


How cool is this "zonkey"!!! :grin:
http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/animals/assets/zonkey.jpg

edit:
Just looked up the donkey thing - a horse has 64 chromosomes, a donkey 62, and a mule 63, which is why it doesnt work.

We had a zedonk at one of the zoos...nasty little critter.

I'm still holding out for my cowttle.

greg

In regards to breeding something 10 times the size, I have personally seen a chihuaha (sp?) go at an old english mastiff. One of our show dogs when i was younger was a 225 lb mastiff. That little dog went right for her when she was laying down, lol. So 5 lbs into 225...45 times his size.

Not all Hybrids are sterile, not all hybrids aren't. Nobody sat down and wrote the book of nature, the only rules it follows are doing what works best, However I doubt that this project will work without you getting ahold of and cutting up several cuttles. and even if you do get good sperm and place it well it would be dificult to say weather it will work or not, why not put your efforts towards breeding sepia for aquarists and take presure of wild stocks, when cuttles are common your chances of making a hybrid will increse.