Anyone (other than TTF and Phil) want to guess what the attached image is? Yes, it's from a cephalopod, but that's the only clue.

I've deliberately textured the image (bricks) - sorry everyone, but this one is embargoed.

Me

Oh please ! Anyone can tell that that is the textured mouth roof of a Sphynx grandis...jeez !
(yeah right...nice pic, but what the h is it?)

its obvious that theyre the initial stage of an octoparrot's feathers....


hmm... i dunno... maybe some type of velcro type appendages on or around the suckers used for a better grip?

Well, they look like dermal denticles of sharks, so i searched for dentacles on tonmo, and the answer is on this very site i believe :)

Richard Ellis' review of "the BEAST" mentions microscopic denticles on the tongue of an Architeuthis...

is this the answer?

Cheers,

Thomas.

This is the kind of answer I was expecting (and what others may-well have assumed in the fossil record also), but it's not the right answer.

Exactly what is a radula?
What exactly is a 'denticle'?
What is the tongue of an Architeuthis (or any mollusc)?

No, these are not radular [adj.] structures, and not associated with the 'toungue'. but you're warm.

It's pretty sensational stuff!

Hi Steve,

Are they esophageal teeth?

:?:

Clem

Easy, it's an archichoke :lol:

Well, if that is an artichoke, where is the drawn garlic butter? Jeez.

Is it the nacreous layer of a nautilus shell? :P



"He thought: Very well. I am now a man with no food, with two less fingers and one less toe than I was born with; I am a gunslinger with shells which may not fire; I am sickening from a monster's bite and have no medicine; I have a day's water if I'm lucky; I may be able to walk perhaps a dozen miles if I press myself to the last extremity. I am, in short, a man on the edge of everything."

- Roland Deschain, Last in the line of Arthur Eld
From The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger by Stephen King

Are they esophageal teeth?

Warmer

Afraid it's no artichoke!!!

John ... cough .... worried about you dude!

You haven't forgotten the face of your father John !

I did see a photo of a similar looking structure, but as was mentioned before, it was a skin surface from a shark... :(

Hmmm, tongue was my only guess, same reference as Thom's (Richard Ellis book)... but I've got nothing else; I'm stumped... wonder what species this is... (request for hint fully embedded)

Usually only hard parts of animals are fossilized.

Cephalopod Hard Parts:
External Chambered Shell
Internal Gladius/Pen/Rostrum
Aptychus (Jaws, Beak, Opercullum)
Radular Elements
Tentacle hooks/Sucker Rings
Statoliths

I'll choose tentacle hooks just to choose something :)

Unless someone can add something to the list :shock:

hmmmmm inner portion of the Buccal mass where the wings of the beak attach????????????????????????????? Guessing here!


J

I'll choose tentacle hooks just to choose something :)

Thats exactly what I was gonna say! 8)

Sorry to keep texturing these things; the reasons will become all-too apparent in Tonmo time.

Attached is a radula (textured); nope, the earlier image is no radula; neither is it hook, shell nor of gladius origin. People have been warm .... but you'll need to do a lot of digging to find out what these structures are, because as far as I know they really haven't been reported in detail to date.

I don't want to tell you what it is, simply because it's an interesting way to learn about anatomy if you figure it out for yourself (boring if I blurt something out, don't you think?).

I've been misquoted, I said archichoke not artichoke ! :roll:

Exactly what is a radula?
What exactly is a 'denticle'?
What is the tongue of an Architeuthis (or any mollusc)?
Dear Steve,

Well...gah. Structures for pulping food and moving them down the gullet, I guess. If you didn't have grinding teeth or a radular tongue, you might want some kind of internal structure to grind up the food before it was digested.

Ah, I've got it, you found a Sarlacc. (http://users3.ev1.net/~rfet/swchpics/sarlacc.jpg)

:wink:

Clem

Is it a piece of the interior lining of the gizzard of a rainforest nautilus? Because that's what it looks like.

Hi this is definitely a guess, well first picture would have said radula but has it is not, i have no idea is the picture up side down lol. The second picture guess again is it some kind of cilia in the digestive tract.
:bugout:

Hmmm, tongue was my only guess, same reference as Thom's (Richard Ellis book)... but I've got nothing else; I'm stumped... wonder what species this is... (request for hint fully embedded)

Hmmmmmm. Now that's a tough one Tony. It has me scratching my head too. It is from something that could loosely be referred to as Mastigoteuthis - but it is giant to the extreme, and very, very odd!

The radula image is from Nototodarus, but it too has these remarkable 'other' structures; in fact, octopus, squid, Spirula and vampyromorphs have these structures; bizarre nobody has drawn attention to them before.

Clem is near boiling. You lot are rather switched on you know! A pleasure it is to tease you :heee:

So what is it? The lining of the stomach or the crop?

Or is it an omasum or abomasum? Maybe a ruminant squid? :P

(Oh, and Steve? No need to worry about me... Just a quote from one of my favorite book series - been following it for nigh-on 15 years now) :P

Sushi and Lobstrosities,

John

John, the idea of a ruminant squid is awesome given my other hobby which is llama envy. If anyone else out there is a frustrated llama yearner, here's the world's most handsome llama.

http://www.tonmo.com/phpBB/files/Spartacus.jpg

sorry to go off piste but it wasn't me who said ruminant 1st.

maybe its a undersea sarlacc :D

The radula image is from Nototodarus, but it too has these remarkable 'other' structures; in fact, octopus, squid, Spirula and vampyromorphs have these structures; bizarre nobody has drawn attention to them before.

Clem is near boiling. You lot are rather switched on you know! A pleasure it is to tease you :heee:


Now that just makes me :x (at me!) you'd think with number of Nototodarus I've seen I would recognise that!!!!!!!!! My only excuse (weak as it may be) is that I'm not a taxonomist....gonna have to pull one from the freezer and have a look.....so much for writing papers today! :roll: :bugout:

J

&*$^#^%$#& This is driving me mad........no I haven't thawed a squid I REALLY have to be writing papers ....but all I can see are little dentically bits

myABSOLUTELY last (well until next time) guess......

The inner surface of the crop?????????

J (off to write now!)

I found a reference to small "multicuspid tubercles" on the mantle, head, and pretty much all over the place on some Mastigoteuthis....
This challenge is a bit over my head i'm afraid, being an art person and all, but it's very interesting! You should do this more often steve! It seems to get everyone reading up

&*$^#^%$#& This is driving me mad........no I haven't thawed a squid I REALLY have to be writing papers ....but all I can see are little dentically bits

myABSOLUTELY last (well until next time) guess......

The inner surface of the crop?????????


Jean, if you've got denticles in your crop then it makes what I've been talking about (in the first Fig) quite insignificant! Now you'll have me dissecting one of these things ... I'd be blown away if I found tooth-like structures there ... I've dreamt of finding gizzard-like plates, but have yet to happen upon one. Denticles would be the next best thing!

The aforementioned are not from the crop - but you're all on the right track. The reason why you haven't hit upon it yet is because nothing has been written about them (just a very rare casual observation of them every now and then ....).

&*$^#^%$#& This is driving me mad........no I haven't thawed a squid I REALLY have to be writing papers ....but all I can see are little dentically bits

myABSOLUTELY last (well until next time) guess......

The inner surface of the crop?????????


Jean, if you've got denticles in your crop then it makes what I've been talking about (in the first Fig) quite insignificant! Now you'll have me dissecting one of these things ... I'd be blown away if I found tooth-like structures there ... I've dreamt of finding gizzard-like plates, but have yet to happen upon one. Denticles would be the next best thing!

The aforementioned are not from the crop - but you're all on the right track. The reason why you haven't hit upon it yet is because nothing has been written about them (just a very rare casual observation of them every now and then ....).

Sorry, Steve....but I was guessing!!!!!! I haven't investigated the crop that thoroughly! Gotta go teach kiddies about :goldfish: now so won't be investigating today!

J

Taking a WAG here, are those things the contents of a crop :?:

Maybe a huge squid, eating sharks, and those are Megalodon teeth, and the pic is downsized so 6" = 1mm :shock:

Hmm, ok. It's been a while now, and despite the risk of sounding impatient I have to ask: so what is it?

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Any answers coming soon?

and Just for Spartacus from my home town.

Llama Fest (http://www.utahkrishnas.com/llama%20Fest_Main.htm)

It's something that I'm working on right now (or at least I'll resume next week).

The story is way cool.

Kevin, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: pukka, why no Llamafest in Thetford ?
you've got all the ammonoids & all the damn llamas in Utah, get my room ready, I'm coming over !

Upon speaking to the oracle of KUMARBIS, [The Hittite High God praise his name!] My vision stated that the picture was in fact a close up of Sumerian Artex Stippling as seen in the Sacred Temple of Arrinna. :lol:

be warned chariotmaster, when the Hittites meets us Spartans they usually s**t-it !
& as for the Shi ites of Turdmanistan, that speaks for it's self !
War is a messy business, have you done yours ? :goofysca:

Methinks your history is somewhat muddled. From a Roman slave to a Greek military state, the sands of time have affected your Tardis I feel!
A war between our peoples would devasate your Fossils as the Great Bull of TARHUN would trample them into the dust.
Gird your loins and hide your bivalves for the vengeance of the Storm God will be mine!
Not only that but you damn greeks cant artex too save your lives!

:confused:

Picky picky, t'would be no fun if accuracy is the main goal :grad: & my Tardis was fine until I was locked inside it with Louise Jameson :wink:
& I'm more than capable of turning fossils to dust myself with a BFH.
My loins are well girded (& clean) but find bivalves uninspiring & Artex is horrid but Greek puddings of shredded pastry, nuts & honey are to die for.
live long & prosper & up your Quo Vardis :shock: