Looking for some specific pictures.....

[Phil1078]

Hello,

As I make my way through this delightful book (http://www.amazon.com/Cephalopods-World-Guide-Mark-Norman/dp/3925919325/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283372917&sr=8-7), I am curious about some things that are not pictured. First, could anyone provide a picture of a Nautilus out of its shell? Furthermore, does anyone have a live (or at least not preserved) picture of Spirula spirula? All the pictures I have seen are of a dead and preserved organism. Also, although I haven't gotten to this point in the book, but a male argonaut would be nice to see.

I hope this is an appropriate forum for this topic. Let me know if it would go better somewhere else.

Cheers

[CaptFish]

Steve posted a Spirula pic in the TONMO gallery here

http://www.tonmo.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/81/title/spirula-spirula-2c-from-drsteve-o-27shea/cat/3

[Phil1078]

Ah, thanks captfish. Very interesting little animal. Are those bubble looking things on the mantle the photophores I read about?

[CaptFish]

I wouldn't know but we can ask Steve O'Shea.

just have to post an SOS for him....

:diamond_trans: :diamond_trans: :diamond_trans:

[OB]

:no_diamond:

[OB]

PS, Steve's avatar is a male argonaut. If I'm not mistaken :wink:

[robyn]

Hi Phil,

If you search the Tonmo archives for a thread called 'Nautilus necropsy', I posted a picture of animal out if its shell and a progressive series of the dissection.

[OB]

PPS: That's Steve's "other" Avatar, his TONMO avatar is obviously an Architeuthis dux paralarva

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/profile-ak-snc1/v230/445/24/n636256839_6047.jpg

(could also be male Tremoctopus, come to think of it...)

[Phil1078]

Ah, excellent Robyn. Thanks for the info.

[Steve O'Shea]

Tiz a male Ocythoe tuberculata Olaf :) (a negative image of it also)

Tony, you know the deal re use of that image of Spirula - please just go ahead and do what we always do. I'm out of the country for a few weeks in several days and don't think I'll have network where we're going. How peaceful that will be - just me, a net, a bottle of rough red (better make that several cases - I hear you live longer), warm water, and the occasional breaching whale and flying squid. :)

[OB]

Ah!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hnINji-9jZ0/SMp9vxx2BdI/AAAAAAAABUY/9GaJLTiJlSI/s1600/ocythoe21-med.jpg

[Phil1078]

Ah, thanks Steve and Ob. I am assuming this curious creature is the male argonaut.

I made it to the Myopsina portion of the book. I am full of ideas and questions so be prepared, whenever I have to time to make more lengthy posts.

Thanks again for the pictures everyone!

[Phil1078]

Robyn, I am coming up empty on searching through the forum for the Nautilus thread. I am not sure if I am looking in the wrong place or not. I am just using the search function towards the top right of the page.

[CaptFish]

I found it
http://www.tonmo.com/forums/showthread.php?9536-nautilus-necropsy-not-for-the-faint-of-heart...&highlight=Nautilus+necropsy

[OB]

Ah, thanks Steve and Ob. I am assuming this curious creature is the male argonaut.

Nopes, as quoted, this here be Ocythoe tuberculata :grad:

It bares some resemblance to a juvenile female Argonaut

http://researchdata.museum.vic.gov.au/argosearch/IMAGES/Kuiter_nodosus_web.jpg

The male argonaut looks something like this, preserved....

http://researchdata.museum.vic.gov.au/argosearch/IMAGES/Finn_nodosus_male.jpg

[Steve O'Shea]

I should know Olaf, but I don't. Where on Earth did you source those magnificent pics?

[OB]

A lot closer to your home than you'd think :wink:

G'day mate shrimp on the barbie no worries (http://researchdata.museum.vic.gov.au/argosearch/biology.html)

[OB]

I think hardly anyone will ever have seen A. nodosus with her shell forming webs covering her shell, before, another marvelous picture by Rudie Kuiter!

http://researchdata.museum.vic.gov.au/argosearch/IMAGES/Kuiter_nodosus_live.jpg

[OB]

Plus this amazing footage (http://museumvictoria.com.au/about/mv-news/2010/argonaut-buoyancy/argonaut-video/)

Philip, see a dislocated Nautilus at 1:50

[Phil1078]

Ah, thanks for the finds Ob. Very interesting.

Now if you are up for this challenge, do you know where a relatively recent Phylogoney of Cephalopoda is?

[OB]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15935706 ?

[Phil1078]

Ob saves the day again. Thanks!