View Full Version : RESEARCH OPPORTUNITY: deep-sea fish and food webs, Dec 2003


Steve O'Shea
Dec 3rd, 2003, 12:32am
Two further Masters/PhD research opportunities reconstructing deep-sea food webs are presented here. Likewise, if interested in either proposal, please contact me directly on steve.oshea@aut.ac.nz

Many of these deep-sea fish eat squid, so it will be very interesting to see where they fit in the food chain. Alternatively, to give it an even-greater cephalopod flavour, you could examine the diet of cephalopod species; the opportunities are endless (and so little is known of the diet of deep-sea cephalopods).

1. Deep-sea food-web reconstruction - stomach content analyses of commercial fish species

Research brief: to describe all species of finfish bycatch from a single commercial fishery (E.g. Patagonian toothfish, Hoki, Orange Roughy, Oreo dories, Scampi).

Key aspects of research include:
· Examination of deep-sea fisheries finfish bycatch samples.
· Identification of finfish species, sexing, assessment of reproductive status, measurement, extraction and archival of otoliths (select taxa).
· Diet and food-web reconstruction and species ecology and behaviour by way of stomach-content analysis.
· Deep-sea commercial fishing vessel excursions.
· Processing large volumes of fisheries bycatch.
· Fixing and preserving of archival specimens (museum collections).
· Aspects of applied conservation, fisheries and ecology.

Little research has been undertaken on the biology of deep-sea fish species in New Zealand waters, and almost nothing on deep-sea food-web structure and the relationship between fishing pressure, physical and biological habitat status, and the diet of both target and incidental bycatch finfish species.

An enormous quantity of fish bycatch is taken during deep-sea trawling for species such as orange roughy, hoki, scampi and oreo dory, but most is discarded over the side. Deep-sea trawling, especially bottom trawling, not only removes apex finfish predators from the environment, but it is also responsible for substantial changes to the structure and diversity of benthic communities, often destroying expanses of deep-sea scleractinian (coral) and gorgonian (sea fan) reef, crushing myriad smaller benthic invertebrates, and modifying the physical habitat.

Identification of finfish bycatch, and determination of basic biological information (such as diet, sex, weight, size and reproductive status), from areas subject to different levels of fishing effort, with different seabed and associated invertebrate/vertebrate faunal characteristics, would provide valuable data for ongoing biological studies to determine whether any change in diet is apparent, or whether diet is in some way related to the physical and biological characteristics of the environment from which the fish were collected.

For this research project, finfish bycatch samples would be collected from commercial fishing vessels, Ministry of Fisheries scientific observers, and by actual participation in research cruises. Basic biological data would be obtained for each bycatch specimen and species, such as identification, size, weight, sex, reproductive status, and diet (otoliths [earbones] would/could be extracted and archived for subsequent study]). Finfish diet and biological data could be related to temporal, bathymetric or geographic factors, to seabed topography, benthic invertebrate diversity [similarly determined from bycatch composition or photographic imagery], habitat, and relative fishing pressure. All data could be integrated into a food web.

Therefore, the objectives of this research would be to:
1. Conduct analyses of finfish bycatch from a single commercial fishery.

2. Undertake stomach content analyses to ascertain food web structure.

3. Compare diet with temporal, bathymetric, geographic and biological variables.

4. Undertake literature reviews to compare modern with historical data (if available) on finfish diet. Determine, if historical data is available, whether any temporal shift in finfish diet is apparent. If historical data is not available, ascertain whether diet is affected by fishing effort.

Envisaged output(s):
A very interesting, applied thesis, whether Masters or PhD.

A detailed account of finfish bycatch diet from a single fishery in New Zealand waters.

A synopsis of known biological data for predator and prey species.

Reconstruction of deep-sea food webs (trophic structure).

Integration of fisheries and biological data to ascertain relationships.

Baseline data for Ministry of Fisheries and Department of Conservation.

Ideal species on which to concentrate research (for which finfish bycatch could be procured):
Scampi (Metanephrops challengeri)
Orange Roughy (Hoplostethus atlanticus)
Hoki (Macruronus novaezelandiae)
Smooth Oreo (Pseudocyttus maculates)
Black Oreo (Allocyttus niger)

.......................
2. Deep-sea food-web reconstruction - stomach content analyses of commercial fish species

Research brief: to describe the diet of a single commercial fish species throughout its recognised distribution and ontogeny (e.g. Patagonian toothfish, Hoki, Orange Roughy, Oreo dories).

Key aspects of research include:
· Examination of deep-sea fisheries commercial fish samples.
· Sexing, assessment of reproductive status, extraction and archival of otoliths (for select taxa).
· Reconstruction of diet by way of stomach-content analysis.
· Deep-sea commercial fishing vessel excursions.
· Processing large volumes of fish stomach samples.
· Aspects of applied conservation, fisheries and ecology.

As for the previous proposal, little research has been undertaken on the biology of deep-sea fish species in New Zealand waters, and almost nothing on deep-sea food webs, and the relationship between fishing pressure, physical and biological habitat status, and the diet of both target and incidental bycatch finfish species.

Deep-sea trawling, especially bottom trawling, not only removes apex and target finfish predators from the environment, but it is also responsible for substantial changes to the structure and diversity of benthic communities, often destroying expanses of deep-sea scleractinian (coral) and gorgonian (sea fan) reef, crushing myriad smaller benthic invertebrates, and modifying the physical habitat. What effect does this have on the diet of target species?

Identification of target fish species diet, and determination of basic biological information (such as sex, weight, size and reproductive status), from areas subject to different levels of fishing effort, with different seabed and invertebrate characteristics, would provide invaluable data for ongoing biological studies, and would enable some judgement to be made as to the relationship between diet and the physical and biological characteristics of the seabed, in bottom-trawl fisheries.

For this research project, commercial fish species samples would be collected from commercial fishing vessels, Ministry of Fisheries scientific observers, and by actual participation in research cruises. Basic biological data would be obtained for each specimen, such as size, weight, sex, reproductive status, and diet (otoliths [earbones] would/could be extracted and archived for subsequent study]). Diet and biological data could be related to temporal, bathymetric or geographic factors, to seabed topography, benthic invertebrate diversity [similarly determined from bycatch composition or photographic imagery], habitat, and fishing pressure.

Therefore, the objectives of this research would be to:

1. Conduct analyses of commercial fish species diet throughout the recognised range of a species distribution (or distribution of the fishery), for a single commercial fish species.

2. Compare diet with temporal, bathymetric, geographic and biological variables.

3. Undertake literature reviews to compare modern with historical data (if available) on finfish diet. Determine, if historical data is available, whether any temporal shift in finfish diet is apparent. If historical data is not available, ascertain whether diet is affected by fishing effort.

Envisaged output(s):
A very interesting, applied thesis, whether Masters or PhD.

A detailed account of a single commercial fish species diet throughout its recognised bathymetric and geographic distribution (in New Zealand waters).

A synopsis of known biological data for predator and prey species.

Reconstruction of a single commercial fish species food web.

Integration of fisheries and biological data to ascertain any relationship.

Baseline data for Ministry of Fisheries and Department of Conservation.

Ideal species on which to concentrate research (for which finfish bycatch could be procured):
Orange Roughy (Hoplostethus atlanticus)
Hoki (Macruronus novaezelandiae)
Smooth Oreo (Pseudocyttus maculates)
Black Oreo (Allocyttus niger)

Steve O'Shea
Dec 10th, 2003, 12:12am
I'm still looking for takers on either project; this would be an extremely rewarding thesis topic. It could be recast so that ONLY the cephalopod component of deep-sea fish species was described (this in itself would be extremely interesting). Perhaps I should recast a third project along these lines (it would certainly help us determine the bathymetric and geographic distributions of both predator and prey species).

Steve

Jean
Dec 10th, 2003, 03:12pm
Hey guys


this sounds like a fascinating project (& I guaruntee you'll never look at dinner the same way again!!! :lol: ) We need more work like this done and the feeling of acheivement when you id a little bitty otolith by yourself for the first time is pretty incredible!!!


I've been looking at the diet of Nototodarus sloanii (arrow squid) and there seems to be a change in prey diversity with location (all pretty speculative at this stage) but it would be very interesting to find out if other critters have the same change and you'd be maybe doing something that no-one else has !

And no I'm not being paid for this plug!!!!

J

Steve O'Shea
Dec 20th, 2003, 03:49am
Ta Jean. I have one 'heavy pencil' taker for this as a PhD project starting 2004 (whether we look at the diet of the fish, or of the cephalopod). Surely there must be more of you out there interested in spending 3-4 years dissecting fish guts, going out to sea, identifying all manner of bits and pieces from the stomachs, playing with dead squid, reconstructing food webs ... and stamping your mark on fisheries!

It IS an interesting (and unknown) aspect of deep-sea science.

TPOTH
Jan 22nd, 2004, 10:29am
Hi all!
Just discovered this forum (duh!) and what can i say? This is great! Extremely interested by the above projects so I'd like to know if there still up for grabs before i pester Steve with a big formal email :roll: :D

TPOTH

Burstsovenergy24
Jan 22nd, 2004, 06:27pm
:welcome: to TONMO! Nice avatar but what does TPOTH stand for?

Steve O'Shea
Jan 22nd, 2004, 09:46pm
Hi all!
Just discovered this forum (duh!) and what can i say? This is great! Extremely interested by the above projects so I'd like to know if there still up for grabs before i pester Steve with a big formal email :roll: :D

TPOTH

Feel free to pester with a less-than-formal note (we don't worry about formalities here) TPOTH; I do have some takers for the food chain research, but the possibilities are near endless. The problem is I have no funds to offer .... I wish I had, but I'm cleaned out financially nowadays.

I'm real tight on time over the next month, but I will respond within a couple of days, if I'm about.
Cheers
O

TPOTH
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:03am
Hi all!
Just discovered this forum (duh!) and what can i say? This is great! Extremely interested by the above projects so I'd like to know if there still up for grabs before i pester Steve with a big formal email :roll: :D

TPOTH

Feel free to pester with a less-than-formal note (we don't worry about formalities here) TPOTH; I do have some takers for the food chain research, but the possibilities are near endless.
They are indeed :) Shame companies and other states aren't willing to plug more cash into ceph research :roll:
The problem is I have no funds to offer .... I wish I had, but I'm cleaned out financially nowadays.
Then i guess it's up to me to find some cash (wonder if I have a rich uncle). However I'm a n00b in such endeavour, many applications require a complete proposal and such so I might require some help/pointers while preparing those funding applications. Anyway, I hope we'll have the time to discuss the matter in more details once your moving is over. :)
I'm real tight on time over the next month, but I will respond within a couple of days, if I'm about.
No rush anyhow ;) My life expectancy is significantly longer than that of a squid so I can wait.

TPOTH

TPOTH
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:10am
:welcome: to TONMO! Nice avatar
thanks... i so wish i'd discovered it much sooner *sigh* But I'm here now
but what does TPOTH stand for?
What kinda hoping nobody would ask... Comes from years of roleplaying, what can i say? i'm a geek ... and i like squids and octopuses... hopeless :roll: :lol:
Anyway it stands for Tzimisce Protector of the Haven :oops: :oops:

TPOTH

um...
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:33am
Oh, I thought is was like "I'm a little TPOT, short and stout...". (No theory regarding what the 'H' was all about.) :oops:

'Tzimisce Protector of the Haven' is much more impressive. :)

Are you a (trained) biologist?
Neil

Burstsovenergy24
Jan 23rd, 2004, 05:09pm
:lol:

Steve O'Shea
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:34pm
.... I'm a n00b in such endeavour, many applications require a complete proposal and such so I might require some help/pointers while preparing those funding applications.

.... you have to excuse me .... but what on Earth is a n00b? Does it require penicillin :wink:

Drop me a line TPOTH. If you've any ideas re funding sources then I'm happy to put in the groundwork on a proposal.

In the meantime ....... back to work I go....
O

tonmo
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:35pm
n00b = newbie = novice :-)

Steve O'Shea
Jan 23rd, 2004, 10:37pm
Oh ....

.... need 'square' emoticon ... but I guess this one will do for now :tomato:

myopsida
Jan 24th, 2004, 12:09am
Oh ....

.... need 'square' emoticon ... but I guess this one will do for now :tomato:

why not use: :oshea:

TPOTH
Jan 24th, 2004, 10:54am
Oh, I thought is was like "I'm a little TPOT, short and stout...". (No theory regarding what the 'H' was all about.) :oops:
Are you a (trained) biologist?
Well, yes... yes I am (damn my modesty ;))
Diplomas have yet to transformed themselves into actual employment *sigh* but BSc Oceanography with Marine biology and MSc Aquatic Resources Management... and two months chopping up O.cyanea in Indonesia for my project (study of the local octopus fishery, assessment of stock and fishing pressure)... that was just amazing ;) I even got used to the stench of octopuses rotting in the heat :yuck: :)

By the way, anybody knows a cheap-ish way to conduct a statolith analysis... I brought back a good batch of those (couldn't do it in the field) but all the methods involved rather expansive resin and subsequent grinding before counting the growth rings... any thoughts or experiences?

TPOTH

Jean
Jan 24th, 2004, 04:30pm
By the way, anybody knows a cheap-ish way to conduct a statolith analysis... I brought back a good batch of those (couldn't do it in the field) but all the methods involved rather expansive resin and subsequent grinding before counting the growth rings... any thoughts or experiences?

TPOTH

Hi TPOTH,

I used a thermoplastic cement called "Crystal Bond" for my statoliths. I got it from Aussie at about $50 (Aussie) a tube. It's quite solid (you can chip it up with scissors and then just place a little on the slide with our stat and heat on a hot plate) and its lasts FOREVER! I've glued several thousand stats and still have 2/3 of a tube left! The beauty of it is that you can remelt it to adjust the statolith or to polish both sides!!!

As for grinding? I used 400 grit wet silicon carbide paper, followed by 1200 grit (around $1.80 a sheet NZ) which you can get from any hardware store, I finished up with 0.05 micron polishing alumina (VERY EXPENSIVE!) on polishing felt (I used an aussie product called "Leuco Lefelt"). But I bet jewellers polishing paste would work too.

Hope this helps

Cheers

Jean

Cheers

Steve O'Shea
Jan 24th, 2004, 05:41pm
Oh ....

.... need 'square' emoticon ... but I guess this one will do for now :tomato:

why not use: :oshea:

:shock: Why is M being positively horrid to O? Shall I expose your true identity to the Tonmo community dear Sir? 99.9999999% of tonmo-goers won't realise this, but M is a rather important fellow :grad: in this particular research proposal.

myopsida
Jan 25th, 2004, 01:41am
[quote="Steve O'Shea.
:shock: Why is M being positively horrid to O? .[/quote]
Occum's Razor Steve my man - why have 1,000s of emoticoms when a few will suffice. :heee:
Now, seriously, if you can come up with funding to investigate the predation of squids by Onchorhynchus spp. in NZ waters I'll happily devote a few weeks to the sampling programme, and what's more I'll supply the collecting equipment & artificial stimuli required to obtain a representative tshawytscha or two

WhiteKiboko
Jan 25th, 2004, 01:52am
99.9999999% of tonmo-goers won't realise this, but M is a rather important fellow :grad: in this particular research proposal.

So which should we suck up to? O or M?

myopsida
Jan 25th, 2004, 02:03am
99.9999999% of tonmo-goers won't realise this, but M is a rather important fellow :grad: in this particular research proposal.

So which should we suck up to? O or M?

O :notworth:
.

TPOTH
Jan 25th, 2004, 04:23pm
Oh ....

.... need 'square' emoticon ... but I guess this one will do for now :tomato:
Here you go, Steve :D
http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/square/bigsquaregrin.gif

TPOTH Koldun

TPOTH
Jan 25th, 2004, 04:33pm
By the way, anybody knows a cheap-ish way to conduct a statolith analysis... I brought back a good batch of those (couldn't do it in the field) but all the methods involved rather expansive resin and subsequent grinding before counting the growth rings... any thoughts or experiences?

TPOTH

Hi TPOTH,

I used a thermoplastic cement called "Crystal Bond" for my statoliths. I got it from Aussie at about $50 (Aussie) a tube. It's quite solid (you can chip it up with scissors and then just place a little on the slide with our stat and heat on a hot plate) and its lasts FOREVER! I've glued several thousand stats and still have 2/3 of a tube left! The beauty of it is that you can remelt it to adjust the statolith or to polish both sides!!!

As for grinding? I used 400 grit wet silicon carbide paper, followed by 1200 grit (around $1.80 a sheet NZ) which you can get from any hardware store, I finished up with 0.05 micron polishing alumina (VERY EXPENSIVE!) on polishing felt (I used an aussie product called "Leuco Lefelt"). But I bet jewellers polishing paste would work too.

Hope this helps
It sure does! Thanks a lot for all the information. Gonna have to "sacrifice" a few statoliths to get used to the technique and see what amount of grinding i need to be able to see the rings.
*initiating Google search for Crystal Bond safe search on*

Thanks again! :notworth:

TPOTH Koldun

Jean
Jan 25th, 2004, 07:40pm
It sure does! Thanks a lot for all the information. Gonna have to "sacrifice" a few statoliths to get used to the technique and see what amount of grinding i need to be able to see the rings.
*initiating Google search for Crystal Bond safe search on*

Thanks again! :notworth:

TPOTH Koldun

Glad the info helped. If you can't find the crystal bond on the net pm me and I'll get the info from our lab tech!

You'll get the hang of grinding pretty quickly, the best advice I have is to polish in a circular motion (otherwise you get deep scratches you can't polish out) and to check progess frequently on the ol' scope!

J

Steve O'Shea
Jan 26th, 2004, 01:09am
http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/square/bigsquaregrin.gif

:mrgreen:

Steve O'Shea
Feb 14th, 2004, 03:27pm
We have one certain PhD and 1 certain Masters candidates undertaking this project, one on scampi and one on orange roughy fisheries; there's also one more possible (highly likely) PhD candidate looking at this for the smooth and black oreo fisheries. Not bad for a new project!

This will reveal extremely interesting information, particularly on the deep-sea cephalopod diet of a number of major commercial fish species, and of course all of the incidental bycatch fish species. I'd imagine there'd be some rather interesting posts and contributions from new cephalopod fanatics soon.

Steve

Steve O'Shea
Aug 22nd, 2004, 10:16pm
Because they've been giving me such a hard time of late, on the left is Pierre (aka TPOTH), and on the right, Matthew Jones. These are two poor souls that are doing their PhD's on deep-sea fish, food-web construction ... and both are going on telly this avo (and are having kittens about it). :twisted:

That's an 'orange roughy' in the middle (and yes, Pierre's eyes are naturally, normally 'Dracula red').

http://www.tonmo.com/phpBB/download.php?id=3062

Infusoria
Aug 25th, 2004, 06:16am
Because they've been giving me such a hard time of late, on the left is Pierre (aka TPOTH), and on the right, Matthew Jones. These are two poor souls that are doing their PhD's on deep-sea fish, food-web construction ... and both are going on telly this avo (and are having kittens about it). :twisted:

That's an 'orange roughy' in the middle (and yes, Pierre's eyes are naturally, normally 'Dracula red').

You know we are just little rays of sunshine!

Here's a couple from the shoot. Don't have any of Pierre or moi because, well we were busy and they're my photo's.

Here we have the lovely Emma and the errr... lovely Steve. Notice our lovely new microscope in the foreground....

http://www.tonmo.com/phpBB/download.php?id=3090

http://www.tonmo.com/phpBB/download.php?id=3091

Steve O'Shea
Mar 8th, 2005, 09:25pm
It's been quite a while since anyone has posted on this thread (come on guys - let's disseminate what you've found out!!!).

At any rate, I've just returned from a trip down south, gave a talk in Taranaki last evening (conservation, food webs, reserves, fisheries impacts etc.), and after the talk I did what most people do ... went for a wee walk and spoke to some fisherfolk.

What a jolly great bunch of people they were (recreational fishermen). Most marlin are tagged and released, but a number don't survive the fight. It might sound like hypocracy on my part - to allow, or at least not to criticise one form of fishing, but to be hell-bent on criticising another - but I cannot afford to alienate myself from everyone (the lesser of two evils).

Anyway, there I was when this marlin was landed, and I had a jolly good talk to these folk and walked away with the fish. Pierre, whether he knows it or not, will be skeletonising this thing for his comparative study of fish skeletal morphology and diet (it's currently in the boot of the truck).

These fish are well-known to be cephalopod eating, except only 3 squid have been found in the guts of all landed specimens (~ 30) thus far this year. Of course my talk had been heavily squid-oriented. I asked whether there had been anything else unusual about the fish this year - and yes, they'd all been small and very thin (this one had three mackeral in its gut).

Looks like the loss of cephs is impacting whales and apex-fish species alike.

TPOTH
Mar 8th, 2005, 10:08pm
It's been quite a while since anyone has posted on this thread (come on guys - let's disseminate what you've found out!!!).
We did? ... i mean yeah! we did! i think.. :oops:
... went for a wee walk and spoke to some fisherfolk.
:shock: spoke??? Could this be the beginning of the bettering (*dodges bullets from the spelling squad*) of your relationship with the fishing community?
The mind boggles....(great game!)

Anyway, there I was when this marlin was landed, and I had a jolly good talk to these folk and walked away with the fish. Pierre, whether he knows it or not, will be skeletonising this thing for his comparative study of fish skeletal morphology and diet (it's currently in the boot of the truck).

*drools*
8-)
Can't wait.... just need a real huge bucket... and loose again my recently re-acquired sense of smell :(

TPOTH

Infusoria
Mar 9th, 2005, 03:14am
Way to go TPOTH!

I'll have some info up soon, I've just about finished processing and entering the data (approx 600 rattails have been dissected by myself so far).

TPOTH
Mar 25th, 2005, 01:49am
Re: Marlin (Update)

So the dear fish finally made its way to the AUT. And no, it doesn't smell as bad as Master O would have us believe. It's "just" the smell of rotten fish .. can I spell desensitise right? 8-)

So last evening, I get a ride all the way to Master O's garden where the fish has been waiting and polluting the local neighbourhood with noxious fumes that forced people to keep their windows closed despite the scorching heat of the past few days. Anyway, it's dark when we get there... and i suppose that was a blessing because I could quite see the writhing of the mass of maggots (that came after...). We load the container (with no lid!) into the 4x4 along with another (empty) container reclaimed from filfthy squid bits in formalin :lol:

The drive is uneventful, we discuss (once Master O's retching has subsided) about the posibility of being stopped by the cops and how far in our story we can go until the collapse from the fumes....

The arrival at the AUT is worthy of the best spy movies, with all the stealth one (or two, as the case may be) can muster while unloading a huge barrel full of rotting fish bits, we sneak into the building... right under the nose of classes of engineers... (won't know what hit them..)

Safe inside our beloved wetlab, I proceed to clean up the different body parts, washing away a whole generation of maggots and assorted squirmy things. Master O volunteers for water duty.. anything to get out of the lab really. Despite trying real hard, i can't quite block the sink but that's ok, i guess. There's always next time. I'm hoo-ing and aaaah-ing at the amazing bone structure and promptly throw the bits in the chemical bath waiting beside me. A liitle bit a scavenging nets me a three-panels lids (read: three bits of wodd that fit reasonnably well) and the marlin reaches its home for the coming week or so.

My brain loaded with endorphins (what can i say? i love science), i'm dropped off, dimly aware that my aura (read: tangible smell armor) will protect me from anything that goes bump in the night (yeah.. even drunken students) until I can get picked up... off to a very very very long shower and a night outside :sad: (the people i live with still have a sense of smell unfortunately).

Anyhow, just adding a little pic of the beast (couldn't get Master O so the fish will have to do).
And if some people are into maggots (takes all sorts...), i have a neat video :wink: freaks

TPOTH
*unclean! unclean! uncleeeean!*

Infusoria
Mar 25th, 2005, 09:03am
Yup now number three on my scale of things that can smell bad...

TPOTH
May 3rd, 2005, 03:32am
Marlin story II: This time it's personal!

[apologies in advance for the usual non-ceph content]
So here is why i'm antagonising all of my collegues, maintenance crew, cleaners and random strangers who make the mistake of wandering by.
I'm slowly removing bones from the bath of nasty chemicals, giving them a good scrub before "sanitising" them (the exact meaning of "sanitising" is for the court to decide). The spine is still missing two vertebrae (found them today... *grumbles*). The ones i have here have been put in a rough order (i.e. "don't kill me if you see a mistake") as I need the last ones and to refer to pictures I took prior to disarticulation.

Then comes the rather interesting task of identifying the different bones and working out where they fit... a loooong way to go :grin:

I can only point out the sclerotic capsules, bony structures around the eyeballs (obviously rotted away a while ago). Waaay cool, dude!

The skull (the really cool part) is waiting for me to find a container big enough to "sanitise" it. Then comes the battery of spines, rays and other tiny bones that aren't referenced anywhere :lol:

What can i say? I like my work... even if it means everybody gets to hate me :razz:

Stay tuned for more updates... (provided I don't get killed...)

TPOTH

TPOTH
Jun 23rd, 2005, 10:54pm
Marlin Story III: The Headless Fish of Doom

For those who care. Whaddaya mean "just me"?
*shrugs*
Anyhow, finally got all the bones out of the chemical soup (gotta to love something that can rot flesh). Still no sign of an adequate container that could house the skull and the acetone. Gonna be some DIY job in the end, if you want something done right and all that. 8-)

Now looking into techniques to rebuild it all. I was told that superglue isn't going to cut it there. Shame. :sad:

Fun fun

TPOTH

Jean
Jun 25th, 2005, 07:11pm
Hi TPOTH,

Impresssssive skeleton! you're right tho' superglue doesn't work. We rearticulated a Hector's Dolphin Skeleton and the glue just didn't stick. So we tried Araldite which seemed to work so we hung the skeleton over the touch screen computer in the foyer.......so now unsuspecting visitors occasionally get the odd rib or pectoral girdle landing on their heads as the glue lets go...... :twisted:

We're going to try wire next! we have to fix our dolphin .....then just for fun we have a seal skeleton to articulate!!! :hmm:

J