Since I have been lucky enough to successfully breed Sepia Bandensis, I have available some Captive Bred hatchlings and eggs. Keep in mind these are captive bred not captive raised that is normally available.

The Cuttle farm Army (http://thetentacleparadox.com/CuttleFarmArmy-About.htm) (Me) will be partnering with Thales (Rich) of Daisy Hill Cuttle Farm (http://www.stickycricket.com/cuttle/) to sell these.

Pricing reflects the the fact that they are captive bred plus the time and costs it takes to care for these animals.

Eggs - $15
Hatchling to 1.5 month (Eating Live) - $50
1.5months-4months (Eating Frozen) - $75
Male/Female Pair - $160

+ shipping/box fees

Please serious inquiries only. Depending on demand, it may be possible to place a hold on cuttles for 1-2 weeks with prepayment and a 50% refundable if you decide to back out.

Since ceph keeping is still relatively new and there is much to be learned, I would like to encourage recipients of these cuttlefish to participate in a tracking system to see how far we can go with continued keeping and breeding. This can be done through posting journals and experiences here on Tonmo and a system we will put together shortly. This is a chance to be a part of making bandensis more known and available in the US. Hopefully soon, we will never need to collect these from the wild again!

General info on the species available here:
http://www.tonmo.com/cephcare/cuttlefish.php

Pictures and history of these cuttles and thier parents can be found here:
http://www.tonmo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11602

Eggs
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/PICT0055.jpg

Hatchlings
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/PICT0070.jpg

Here is a quick video I put together of 0-2 week old hatchlings.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/th_2ndGen.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/?action=view&current=2ndGen.flv)

I'm working on removing some fish from a tank specifically for this at the moment.

Nice! Just let me know when your ready!

Will do!

are the eggs 15 each?

i asked the same question, he says its 15 for one egg.

is 20g big enough for a male/female pair?

i meen 30g

30 gallon would be ok for a male/female pair. I would advise having a sump though to add water volume.

However, I will not have male/female pairs until a couple months. Cant sex them until they are older. Sorry I forgot to mention this. What I have available now are mostly hatchlings and a limited number of eggs. More eggs should be available within the next couple weeks. Im waiting for them to mature a little longer before taking them out of my display tank, which in itself will be a big chore!

Sweet a Cuttle Army and Daisy Hill joint!

I also have a 8 captive raised bandensis for sale, 40 each plus everything above, that are eating frozen mysis.

Cephs rock!

ok i just asked the person whos making my tank and he said it is going to be 25g. if it's only 5g less is it still ok? i will run a sump. and do weekly water changes.

Water volume's only going to be half of your problem. Them bumping into things in such close quarters is going to cause problems. They need lots of space to move.

so will 5g make a diff.?

In short, yes.

What I'm saying is, think also in terms of dimensions, not just gallons.

it's a 19 inch cube that is 16 inches high.

IMO, it's not just what you can cram into an aquarium, you want the aquarium to be bigger than the requirements, then the fish/cuttles in this case, will be happier, and prolly more interactive/active because they have more room to swim around in. In other words, a human can live in a 7x7 room with a toilet, daily feeding, and nothing else, but he/she would get no exercise, and would be bored all day. That example may be a little extreme, but it's the right idea.

Ok, Thales will be performing all the shipping, so please send all order inquiries to babies@atomicglass.com.


My current stock (which is constantly changing is)

17 Hatchlings (Almost all are eating live mysids)
4-5 Eggs with many more in the main tank that Ill need to remove and confirm that they are viable.

when you get a male/female pair i will buy them. lol i finally have a tank for them! i've wanted cuttles but i never set up a tank for them. how long do you think it will be until you have a pair?

Para/Thales:

As you guys know by now, I contacted Thales a about 15 days ago asking to be put in the list for a male/female pair. My tank has been fully cycled for over 1 month now and I am ready to make a purchase immediately. Please contact me to the email address that I previously send you via emai/PM.


Regards,

Estefano

Everyone that is interested in male/female pairs...

I neglected to explain this in detail earlier.

Sepia Bandensis do not show sex defining behavior until 3 months or so. So we will not be able to properly ID them until this time. Even then, it may be difficult. So availability for them will be dependent upon what we have left after 3 months. It is very likely that I may have some in 3 months and its also possible that we dont. This will also depend on if we have space to keep them at this size.

I will need to speak with Rich about this in greater detail to see if we even have the resources to keep them to this age.

In other words, we do not currently have male/female pairs at the moment and we will need to decide on if this is something we can actually pursue.

I apologize for this confusion for we are currently trying to figure out all the logistics of what we can and cannot do. This is primarily a hobby for us for any profits will pretty much pay for the expenses and time required to keep these creatures with the aim of making cuttles more available to the US market.

Hey Everyone,

We really don't have the facilities for rearing a bunch of bandensis to sexy age, so we aren't going to hold any with prepayment. What that means is there may or may not be any available when you want them in the future. They may all get sold to someone who wants their own breeding colony, or they may all get sold to a vendor or they could all die before we have a chance to sell them.

What we have now are 18 (and growing) less than one month old hatchlings and 8 captive reared two month olds. The prices are 50 each (for either) and the prices for older cuttles in the future may or may not be what Daniel posted in the first post.

My advice it to get them while they are available because they may not be in the future.

Thanks for everyones interest!

so i can put a down payment and they will most likely be ready in 3 months?

sexy age

I'm hoping you meant sexing age. If not I'm never going to the west coast.

I am pretty sure that above I wrote: "we aren't going to hold any with prepayment". :grin:

I have tried it before an it can lead to bad situations. Even if we say its a non refundable deposit, there is often sill bad juju on both sides if the buyer wants to back out or if for some reason the animals die before its time to ship them (bad things do happen). Since packing and shipping is stressful enough, we want to avoid any bad juju. :smile:

I'm hoping you meant sexing age. If not I'm never going to the west coast.

:lol:
Same difference...you can only sex them when they get sexy towards each other!

Whats the availability on the +2 month olds? Can you tell if you have a pair?

There are none at +2 months old at the moment.

I have 20 or so 0-3 week olds
0 eggs ( maybe more in a couple weeks)

Hi:

That is disapointing to hear :( I wish I could place a "pre-order" for these guys. I would be even willing to prepay the order.

Regards,

Estefano

Just thought Id add some Pics!
Heres a few cuttle pics taken by Eric Do, a member of BAR, our local reef club.

Cuttles gone Wild
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/Eric%20Do%20Pics/D2X_2881.jpg

Feeding Tentacles! (Funny how eric was able to capture this so easily when out of 1000s of pictures I think I only got 1-2 shots of this) This guy is over a year old now!
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/Eric%20Do%20Pics/D2X_2893.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/Eric%20Do%20Pics/D2X_2900.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/Eric%20Do%20Pics/D2X_2912.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/Eric%20Do%20Pics/D2X_2847.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/Eric%20Do%20Pics/D2X_2850.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/Eric%20Do%20Pics/D2X_2857.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Paradox009/Cuttles/Eric%20Do%20Pics/D2X_2858.jpg

very nice pics!

How old of a pair do you currently have available?

AFAIK, we don't have any that are old enough to sex.

I think its interesting that when 3 monthers were offered, people seemed to want eggs and hatchlings and when hatchlings are offered, people see to want 3 monthers. :grin:

BTW, I have 3 3 monthers, not showing any sex signs yet for 75 each, and Daniel and I have a bunch of 1 monthers for the price previously listed. :smile:

AFAIK, we don't have any that are old enough to sex.

I think its interesting that when 3 monthers were offered, people seemed to want eggs and hatchlings and when hatchlings are offered, people see to want 3 monthers. :grin:

BTW, I have 3 3 monthers, not showing any sex signs yet for 75 each, and Daniel and I have a bunch of 1 monthers for the price previously listed. :smile:

How much for 2 of the 3 monthers plus shipping to KS 66049.
Thanks

Please email me at babies@daisyhillcephfarm.org with inquiries. Thanks! :smile:


Shipping is expensive right now - FedEx raised its rates, and is also adding a big fuel surcharge.

i am looking for a couple eggs im in colorado so how would that work

i will recieve eitheir the eggs or young hatchlings Prefrebly which ever one ships better to Pa 15005

Thanks everyone for your interest.

We currently do not have have any for sale, but will shortly. I tend to get new eggs and hatchlings every 3 weeks or so.

Since people have shown genuine interest, I will be creating a reserve list for serious buyers only. Please let me know how many you are interested in. For a shipping quote, you can just go to fedex.com and look for get a quote for shipping. For box size use 12x12x12 unless you are ordering a large number of cuttles. Zip code is 94501. This quote given is just an estimate, and you will get a refund on any overage.

If you are on the list and later decide to back out, please let me know so I can update the list.

The list so Far:
-Animal Mother
-Reef_cuttle

Update: just pulled out 20+ viable eggs from the main display yesterday.

Update: just pulled out 20+ viable eggs from the main display yesterday.

Me too! :grin:

nice!

I still dont know what affects the percentage of good eggs to bad.

One cluster I pulled out has 10-15 eggs and almost all of them look good. Another cluster I pulled out seems to be 1/3rd viable.

*shrugs*

I do think that as they get older, overall success rates do increase. Even 1/3 rd is better then what I got from the first batches.

It seems (memory is not always reality) that Cuttlegirls first and last had lower success ratest than those "in the middle" of the breeding life cycle.

Just found a Secret stash of eggs in the main tank. I pulled out 18 eggs and ALL look good. Looks like in a couple of weeks after these hatch, Thales and I will have more cuttles then we can handle. =)

Dwhatley-I guess I need to go through cuttlegirls posts again. Makes sense though. However, all of the cuttles in the main tank are the same age. One of the females is almost laying 100% viable eggs which look darker and thicker walled then previous eggs. The other female is laying about 1/3% viable eggs that look more fragile.

Just found a Secret stash of eggs in the main tank. I pulled out 18 eggs and ALL look good. Looks like in a couple of weeks after these hatch, Thales and I will have more cuttles then we can handle. =)

Dwhatley-I guess I need to go through cuttlegirls posts again. Makes sense though. However, all of the cuttles in the main tank are the same age. One of the females is almost laying 100% viable eggs which look darker and thicker walled then previous eggs. The other female is laying about 1/3% viable eggs that look more fragile.

I am not actually sure about the viability of Baby A's eggs, since I shipped almost all of them out as eggs... I do recall in some of the first batches I had some premature (yolk sacs still attached) births. I will try to go over my records and figure this out.

I was just wondering if anybody had any cuttlefish for sale yet?

Looking to buy a 2 cuttles on frozen anybody have any?

:welcome: to TONMO... hopefully one of the cuttle-raisers can help you!

Had an incident with my system. My PH probe was reading off by up to .6! I stopped dripping kalk a while back thinking my PH was too high. In reality, my PH was starting to dip under 8.0 which it seems to be bad for Bandensis. Although my adults are about the age for them to start passing on, I feel this PH issue may have been more likely the cause of two female adults dying. Unfortunately, these were the last of my adult breeding females. The last batch of eggs didnt seem to make it as a well. I have one clutch left that look good and I have tended to my PH issue, so Ill see if these pull through.

Because of this, I will unfortunately not have any more Gen 2 Bandensis. However, I have my own personal mini-army of Gen 2 Bandensis at about 1 month old, so as long as there are no further problems, Gen 3 is very possible in a few months..

Paradox,
For my confused mind.:old: Have you successfully raised cuttles that were tank bred from tank raised yet or are we still on tank bred from wc?

Sorry! The confusion is probably my fault. I should have said that I will most likeley not have any more F1 gereration Cuttles available, but am hoping for F2 in 3-5 Months.

In other words, I bred cuttles from wild caught eggs to create a 1st Generation of tank bred cuttles and am currently awaiting these 1st gen tank bred cuttles to mature.

I have not had any confirmations of any recipients of these tank bred cuttles to have successfully reproduced yet, but its still early.

I have several eggs maturing, but I am not sure if I will have any for sale.

I'm thinking about raising cuttles. How much a week does it cost to raise them?